Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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Astakhan

04.20.2012 , 09:37 AM \| #161	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LordbishopX People now are basically in the 31/31/31 op spec again which doesn't exist. DPS of a SIN Madness Deception DPS Tanksin Tanksin Its not close.... Someone else mentioned FIB, not me, stay on the real topic.

Zintair

04.20.2012 , 09:39 AM \| #162	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LordbishopX People now are basically in the 31/31/31 op spec again which doesn't exist. DPS of a SIN Madness Deception DPS Tanksin Tanksin Its not close.... I must say this game has BY far the lowest common denominators when it comes to common sense and understanding in an MMO. Whether PvE or PvP. I don't see how you could complain about Shadows and Assassins which are VERY balanced when there are Marauders and Powertechs destroying things. The other DPS classes do not bring enough to the table so the entire system is screwed. Luckily I don't really play this game for the PvP.
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LordbishopX

04.20.2012 , 09:41 AM \| #163	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Astakhan There are legitamately 3-4 TankAssassins on my server (in DPS gear mind you), that hover (you could use the word "average") around 300-400k every match. Every. Match. I usually don't see them peaking for more than that when I'm there, because I try to kill them, I try to figure out a way to beat them, they get pissed and focus me, thus cutting their numbers some. Wait you kill them? really earlier they op and u kill the op so ergo u must be op
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Astakhan

04.20.2012 , 09:42 AM \| #164	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by LordbishopX Wait you kill them? really earlier they op and u kill the op so ergo u must be op Are you 12? I said, I "try" to kill them.

LordbishopX

04.20.2012 , 09:42 AM \| #165	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Zintair I must say this game has BY far the lowest common denominators when it comes to common sense and understanding in an MMO. Whether PvE or PvP. I don't see how you could complain about Shadows and Assassins which are VERY balanced when there are Marauders and Powertechs destroying things. The other DPS classes do not bring enough to the table so the entire system is screwed. Luckily I don't really play this game for the PvP. +8k heatseeker missles say what?
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LordbishopX

04.20.2012 , 09:44 AM \| #166	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by allexj ok i have hit 250k 1 time between 2 servers and 2 tanksins so no never going to happen they might have been a shadow but they were not tanks When a tanksin is high in damage you can almost point and turn to his pocket healer who for whatever reason peeps ignore and thank them.........
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Scoobings

04.20.2012 , 09:45 AM \| #167	Quote
You can't kite an assassin, I don't understand why I keep seeing this. Granted, I only have a level 40 one but kiting is irrelevent. Their main source of damage is shock (range), they have a ranged, powerful snare and a force speed that removes immobalize and snares on a ~20 second CD. Then on top of all that, they have shroud and vanish. You can't kite that. Sure, you can try and maybe mitigate a few seconds of damage but no where near enough to close the gap on their absolutely stupid survivability for the amount of burst they can unleash. I have to say, i was really surprised when BW said that they thought assassins were in line with everyone else. Tanks need their damage brought in line with the other tanks, and they need their DPS specs buffed like crazy to compensate.
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Dustychild

04.20.2012 , 09:46 AM \| #168	Quote
Any steaslth class that can do damage while stunning can always seem OP. Simply put they need different damage when in stealth and not in stealth. Higher when in stealth because of the surprise facter and less when out of stealth because of being exposed to every one. That would cure a lot of the OP and still give them a burst damage to keep them happier then being nerfed into the dirt.

LordbishopX

04.20.2012 , 09:46 AM \| #169	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Scoobings You can't kite an assassin, I don't understand why I keep seeing this. Granted, I only have a level 40 one but kiting is irrelevent. Their main source of damage is shock (range), they have a ranged, powerful snare and a force speed that removes immobalize and snares on a ~20 second CD. Then on top of all that, they have shroud and vanish. You can't kite that. Sure, you can try and maybe mitigate a few seconds of damage but no where near enough to close the gap on their absolutely stupid survivability for the amount of burst they can unleash. I have to say, i was really surprised when BW said that they thought assassins were in line with everyone else. Tanks need their damage brought in line with the other tanks, and they need their DPS specs buffed like crazy to compensate. At level 40 its an entire different story the game will never never never be balanced for 1 - 49... 1 - 49 is pure fun and recreation the talent tress aren't even in the same zip code of when classes get defining skills....
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Astakhan

04.20.2012 , 09:47 AM \| #170	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Zintair I must say this game has BY far the lowest common denominators when it comes to common sense and understanding in an MMO. Whether PvE or PvP. I don't see how you could complain about Shadows and Assassins which are VERY balanced when there are Marauders and Powertechs destroying things. The other DPS classes do not bring enough to the table so the entire system is screwed. Luckily I don't really play this game for the PvP. Because while the two classes you mentioned are indeed overpowered, there are counters to them. I can giggle with delight while interrupting tracer missles. I can somewhat counter a Marauder with force slow / speed, 2 second root, etc, etc.. I have no counter for a Tank Assassin (again, i don't want to forget this caveat, that is well played and in DPS gear).

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