I'm pvping about 60% less. Is this really what you wanted?

"Real" pvpers also want to ensure they have enough money to buy consumables, pulls mods out of gear, craft or buy augments, etc without having to pve. There's nothing wrong with rewarding effort so long as winning nets a better return.

If you really think that the PVP population is that large....


Not sure if trolling...

David Beckham gets same pay no matter if hes team loses 0-10 or wins 5-4. Hell, he gets the same pay even if hes just sitting on the change bench whole 90mins.

I need PvP to give rewarsds even if you loose. Not for my sake, but because otherwise loosing team dosent even try to fight back. Thats not fun at all.

When I read this subject line, it occurred to me that my WZ play has dropped quite a bit too.

For me it isn't so much about the reward changes (though I agree more balance is needed), I think it is more about the way its impacted player behavior:

While I mainly pug, I've made many PvP friends that I enjoyed playing with or against and a surprising number left the game. I'm hoping they'll be back as the game evolves.

Leaving is rampant ("hmm..don't like this group", "other team scored time to leave", "no reason to backfill I won't get anything anyway") . Even those who stay seem to give up sooner.

There's a noticeable drop in healers. (I've quit playing mine - at least for now - and fully acknowledge I wasn't an awesome healer since I found pre 1.2 challenging to be a Sage healer in)

People seem to give up trying to win the match sooner than before...and just medal hunt. For me, the most rewarding PvP is the really close match that you don't know up until the final seconds who will win. Those were rare pre-1.2 and (in part due to the reasons above) are even rarer now.

I don't pretend to have great answers to offer - and I'm not leaving SWTOR. But their metrics should confirm what many are experiencing. Every MMO evolves and I still have much hope for this one.

TL;DR Yeah I'm doing WZ's less these days too. Hopefully some tweaks will perk things up for myself and others.

I find myself playing alts more and more everyday, because at that level I don't care about leveling fast or gear or tons of credits for optimizing gear and what have you. I don't have to worry about min/maxed premades, or having lesser gear or lesser geared players ruining chances. Level 50 now feels like an exercise in torture with all the changes.

I have no idea why people whom are so fed up with this shambles BW proudly call PVP continue thier subs.

BW do not listen to you, they have their own agenda, the PVP devs are clapping themselves on the back atm becaue they added a 'new' and I term that loosely WZ. (FYI Devs - a rehash of Turrets is not a new WZ !).

Talk with your wallets people, I did and have unsubbed. They ask you to complete a questionnaire when you do, put you reasoning in there. Im willing to bet that it is this that they are 'listening' to rather than forum posts as my server PVP is pretty much dying out now what with the total imbalance in classes and factions its more frustration than fun.

But hey ho, GW , D3 and Tera are just around the corner - good luck with your soon to be FTP BW, you soooo deserve it.

This is a weak attempt at solving a bigger problem. A problem you created with revamping a good system that needed certain tweaks for Rated WZs. A bandaid like this will not fix the festering wound that you created with 1.2... sorry... And yes, I PvP about 95% less now. I used to spend 80% of my time PvPing. Bravo BW Bravo.

Well said. I used to pvp with all of my characters as I leveled (have two 50's and 6 in their 20-30s) as often as solo queue would pop, now it's nothing more than a waste of time. I average 12-16 medals per match even playing a pure DPS class like my sniper, so that is not the problem. The problem is that you have to rely on other people to make your effort worth your time, which obviously isn't working. The other day in Voidstar I marked the healers and asked everyone to please burn them first, yet every single person thought it was a better idea to keep attacking the DPS and completely ignore the healers standing next to them spamming heals. Leveling while hitting warzones used to be fun.. now it's nothing more than a grueling chore and a waste of my time. Since 1.2, despite the new warzone that I love, I find myself queueing less and less. What's the point?

Actually I like the new WZ. It's my favorite functionally and visually, even if it is CW 2.0.

I'm no fanboy but it seems just as many ppl say "BW never listens" as say "BW listens and that's why it sucks now". Alot of the changes we've seen (rightly or wrongly) were things clamored for on the forums.

It seems like alot of the wild swings would be positively impacted by a more robust PTS. LOTRO, for one, does a nice job with character copy or instant leveling up on Test (Eyes & Guard Tavern).

One thing for sure with MMOs is they are always going to change. If you aren't happy, try to provide constructive non-raging feedback. "Voting with your wallet" also works if aren't you enjoying the game and don't believe the direction will improve.

You seem not have logged in once, otherwise i can't explain how you missed that about half of the servers are marked PVP. Let me tell you that's not a smart idea to project your own preference for boring easy PVE that contains no surprises onto everyone. That rarely works.