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The Problem of the Sith Empire

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The Problem of the Sith Empire

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LilTsar
04.18.2012 , 10:07 PM | #31
the sith and jedi ideologies are both crud, republic is better than empire solely because jedi have less control than the sith do in the empire.
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pauljc
04.18.2012 , 10:39 PM | #32
Let's not forget, the Republic might claim to represent the Will of the People, but only if the people support the Republic. Your people signed some treaty 10,000 years ago submitting you to a foreign power, and now you want to rule yourselves? Tough luck, sucker, the freedom-loving Republic doesn't put up with any of that nonsense. You can check in any time you want, but you can never leave.

They essentially view themselves as the legitimate government of the entire galaxy, exactly like the Empire. If you're not in the Republic you're A) a criminal-run cesspit, B) too primitive for anyone to care about, or C) an enemy of the state. There is no truly independent, coequal ally of the Republic.

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pzljug
04.19.2012 , 02:45 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Guildrum View Post
So then 75% of the people playing this game are doomed...

If the weak will wither away, why is so much time spent "weeding out the weak" in the Empire? Natural Selection ain't that natural if they have to actively killed them off...
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DeutschGamer
04.19.2012 , 02:52 AM | #34
How about we agree the entire foundation of the SWG is screwed up and is the reason why there can never be peace (and/or have nice things).

Its all the force's fault.

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Hitomo_x
04.19.2012 , 07:30 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by SWFTW View Post
Comparing the Sith and the Jedi is like comparing House League and Rep. The Jedi are accepting and kind to a fault, while the Sith embrace the harsh truth: Competence needs to be established for a society to succeed.
man you totally miss the concept of Enlightenment ...
thats the way of ruling a society ... where everyone gets the same changes

the empire is like the U.S. and the republic like the EU ... deal with it

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undeadsithdread
04.19.2012 , 07:42 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Slowpokeking View Post
After played 2 classes on the Empire side and finished the main quest line of the planets, I really think Sith' way is not good to lead a nation, even an empire.

The Sith care too much about their own and love to bully others. They are the enemy of the Republic and the Jedi, unfriendly to many neutral factions. Even inside the Empire, you can see so many Sith use their force choke/lightning to bully/kill Imperial non force sensitives.
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While they treat most of the non Sith badly, it's not worse than how they treat each other. Treachery is the way of the Sith, never stop betray and kill each other. And that's pretty much why every Sith organization fall. Both SI and SW's story showed a lot about it.
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I'm sure that if the empire fall, the treachery between the Sith themselves and the inner conflicts between Sith and non force sensitives will serve as big factors.

The reason Sidious could succeed is that in the prequel, he was more of a politician rather than a Sith. Plagueis is similar. Just like EP III's novel said, the Sith had remade themselves. Of course he could not avoid the flaw of the Sith, after he became the Emperor even Anakin (in EP III novel) said he would become the most hated man in the galaxy and let many people unite together to take him down.

Of course, the Jedi's way is also terrible to lead a nation, but they mostly ally with the Republic and let the politicians rule the nation.
excuse me if the sith were that flawed and would overthrown by imperials at anytime then how come they still in control of the empire and ruled over it for 1400 years?
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Malusz
04.19.2012 , 08:16 AM | #37
The Empire collapsed both in the past and the future of the game in order to reinvent itself. In the game's iteration, not all Sith are inherently evil, depending on player choices but the same can be said about NPC Sith.
Malgus was definitely trying to address the faults in the structure. Too bad he was on the wrong end of my lightsaber.

There's one of the SI dialogs with Ashara where the player pretty much exposes her different ways of leading the Empire. One of them is summed up by bringing peace to the galaxy and restoring order regardless of the cost: efficiency before morale.

Not all Sith, NPC included, kill everyone on a whim. Coercion and bullying are sometimes just as effective. When it's applied, it is sometimes in order to fit with the greater agenda of having a galaxy free of any conflict or corruption. Or maybe, just for the fun of it. Force shock hardly gets old

Anyway Evil will triumph. Because Good is dumb.
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Slowpokeking
04.19.2012 , 10:32 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Malusz View Post
The Empire collapsed both in the past and the future of the game in order to reinvent itself. In the game's iteration, not all Sith are inherently evil, depending on player choices but the same can be said about NPC Sith.
Malgus was definitely trying to address the faults in the structure. Too bad he was on the wrong end of my lightsaber.

There's one of the SI dialogs with Ashara where the player pretty much exposes her different ways of leading the Empire. One of them is summed up by bringing peace to the galaxy and restoring order regardless of the cost: efficiency before morale.

Not all Sith, NPC included, kill everyone on a whim. Coercion and bullying are sometimes just as effective. When it's applied, it is sometimes in order to fit with the greater agenda of having a galaxy free of any conflict or corruption. Or maybe, just for the fun of it. Force shock hardly gets old

Anyway Evil will triumph. Because Good is dumb.
Before you believe Malgus' words, remember how did he treat his wounded master?

Not all of them are like that but the majority are, the Emperor even wanted to devour all. Bully sometimes are useful but the Sith use them too much.

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Hitomo_x
04.19.2012 , 10:38 AM | #39
thats the problem ... jedis or republic arnt good or evil
they just give every member of there society the same rights
everything is allowed that helps everyone in general and
doesnt benefits one individual over an other ... everyone
has the same right to live and prosper ...


while the sith and the empire is evil by its own definition ...
everything is allowed and legit as long as I see a personal
benefit from it ... only the strongest survives ... not everyone
has a right to live ...


being moraly good isnt dump, its just way more difficult
and demands selfcontrol and snsibility ... thats why evil
people think being good is dump ... but thats only part
of there own evilness ...

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Crimson_Paladin
04.19.2012 , 10:49 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by undeadsithdread View Post
excuse me if the sith were that flawed and would overthrown by imperials at anytime then how come they still in control of the empire and ruled over it for 1400 years?
I suspect that it is the non-force sensitive leaders, like the moffs and governers, that keep the Empire running smoothly.