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The Problem of the Sith Empire

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The Problem of the Sith Empire

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Slowpokeking
04.17.2012 , 11:20 AM | #1
After played 2 classes on the Empire side and finished the main quest line of the planets, I really think Sith' way is not good to lead a nation, even an empire.

The Sith care too much about their own and love to bully others. They are the enemy of the Republic and the Jedi, unfriendly to many neutral factions. Even inside the Empire, you can see so many Sith use their force choke/lightning to bully/kill Imperial non force sensitives.
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While they treat most of the non Sith badly, it's not worse than how they treat each other. Treachery is the way of the Sith, never stop betray and kill each other. And that's pretty much why every Sith organization fall. Both SI and SW's story showed a lot about it.
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I'm sure that if the empire fall, the treachery between the Sith themselves and the inner conflicts between Sith and non force sensitives will serve as big factors.

The reason Sidious could succeed is that in the prequel, he was more of a politician rather than a Sith. Plagueis is similar. Just like EP III's novel said, the Sith had remade themselves. Of course he could not avoid the flaw of the Sith, after he became the Emperor even Anakin (in EP III novel) said he would become the most hated man in the galaxy and let many people unite together to take him down.

Of course, the Jedi's way is also terrible to lead a nation, but they mostly ally with the Republic and let the politicians rule the nation.

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Ashu-ri
04.17.2012 , 01:30 PM | #2
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You're right, the way the empire is run currently, it's not run very well. As my IA said in a quest conversation, no one is truly free in the empire, not even the Sith. The greed and bloodlust will assure a very rotating council and government - rather, Siths will all be trying to do each other in all the time, unless there is truly something to fear (not that a Sith would admit fear) from not killing the other Sith and taking his/her place.

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Slowpokeking
04.17.2012 , 06:33 PM | #3
To form a better nation, they really have to abandon the Sith way.

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TheBetty
04.17.2012 , 07:35 PM | #4
It is indeed very corrupt and will most likely tear itself apart. However when you think about it The Republic is pretty much on the brink of tearing itself apart as well. The emperor I believe is the only one that can bring the Empire into line and unify it, but he's having a snooze right now hahaha
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NicholasMB
04.17.2012 , 07:36 PM | #5
You're absolutely right about the whole Sith being the ruling class issue. Here's my ten cents:

When the Empire was created, right up until the Treaty of Coruscant, everything was fine. They were created and united for a singular purpose: to exterminate the Jedi to gain vengeance for the failure of the Great Hyperspace War. The entirety of the Empire was focused on killing Jedi, therefore they were doing a good job.

After the Treaty of Coruscant, the Empire began to regress back to their roots: subterfuge, betrayal, scheming, war on each other, etc. At that point, the Empire lost its way. The Sith have gotten so used to there not being a war going on, even though there's a Cold War for ten years, that they are focused on warring with each other instead of warring against the Jedi and Republic, THEIR ORIGINAL PURPOSE.

After the Emperor, (who needs to get off his *** and re-assume command of the Empire) there are certain Sith Lords, such as Lord Praven, Darth Marr, Darth Decimus, and others like them that are actually fit to rule the Empire in my opinion. They are military leaders, and don't consume themselves with the power plays of the Sith, although they have to in certain cases, as they would perish if they did not. Military Sith Dark Lords, working in concert with Imperial Military leaders, as well as Imperial Intelligence, are the kind of leadership necessary to rule the Empire and see it to its glory days.

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SWFTW
04.17.2012 , 07:55 PM | #6
Uh... No


The "Sith" and the "Empire" have two different ideologies. It's like the Jedi and the Republic. The SIth way, contrary to popular belief, is not the textbook 'evil' side. The Sith believe that the strong should rule and the week cast aside. How many times have you seen a week Sith? Compare that to the number of times you've seen a week Jedi? Ya, I thought so.

Comparing the Sith and the Jedi is like comparing House League and Rep. The Jedi are accepting and kind to a fault, while the Sith embrace the harsh truth: Competence needs to be established for a society to succeed.

The Empire, though formed by the Sith is completely different.

To use modern terms, the Empire is a monarchy, while the Republic a self proclaimed 'democracy'.

Please, play a Republic character and then tell me how much better the Republic is. Corrupt politicians in the Republic are more common than Sorcerers.

tl;dr:

1. The Sith that follow the Sith code and it's philosophies are not mindless thugs. On BioWare's scale, they'd be something like Dark II or III

2. The Empire is a monarchy, the Republic is a corrupt 'democracy.

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Slowpokeking
04.17.2012 , 08:10 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by SWFTW View Post
Uh... No


The "Sith" and the "Empire" have two different ideologies. It's like the Jedi and the Republic. The SIth way, contrary to popular belief, is not the textbook 'evil' side. The Sith believe that the strong should rule and the week cast aside. How many times have you seen a week Sith? Compare that to the number of times you've seen a week Jedi? Ya, I thought so.

Comparing the Sith and the Jedi is like comparing House League and Rep. The Jedi are accepting and kind to a fault, while the Sith embrace the harsh truth: Competence needs to be established for a society to succeed.

The Empire, though formed by the Sith is completely different.

To use modern terms, the Empire is a monarchy, while the Republic a self proclaimed 'democracy'.

Please, play a Republic character and then tell me how much better the Republic is. Corrupt politicians in the Republic are more common than Sorcerers.

tl;dr:

1. The Sith that follow the Sith code and it's philosophies are not mindless thugs. On BioWare's scale, they'd be something like Dark II or III

2. The Empire is a monarchy, the Republic is a corrupt 'democracy.
I don't think Sith are just "evil", but their way is not good to run a nation, no matter what kind of structure.

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TurokDarkstar
04.18.2012 , 02:55 AM | #8
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The SIth way, contrary to popular belief, is not the textbook 'evil' side. The Sith believe that the strong should rule and the week cast aside.
Wut? That seems a bit contradictory. It's one group that has an over-inflated sense of worth oppressing another group. Don't know how well a couple thousand sith would stand up against the might of the Imperial military or a popular rebellion for that matter.

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Comparing the Sith and the Jedi is like comparing House League and Rep. The Jedi are accepting and kind to a fault, while the Sith embrace the harsh truth: Competence needs to be established for a society to succeed.
Wat? Jedi are in opposition to competent leadership? If you ask me, killing military officers on a whim is a pretty clear sign of incompetence, or insanity at the very least.

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Please, play a Republic character and then tell me how much better the Republic is. Corrupt politicians in the Republic are more common than Sorcerers.
Wut? Corrupt politicians stand-out in the Republic. They're met with scorn from both your companions and extra-characters. Overall, however, the Republic strives for an ethical democracy. Corruption and unethical behavior is the reason for the season in the Empire.

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1. The Sith that follow the Sith code and it's philosophies are not mindless thugs. On BioWare's scale, they'd be something like Dark II or III
Wat? The sith are worse than a Saturday morning cartoon villain. They're comically evil, and all their schemes are so convoluted and unnecessary as to make Dr. Evil blush. I'm still waiting to run into a class story where the sith attempt to destroy the republic with frickin laser beams attached to a sharks head.

I apologize for the nerd rage, but the Sith Empire is just so cartoony to me. Less to do with factional loyalty, and more to do with terrible backstory.

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ScorpioWhisperer
04.18.2012 , 08:53 AM | #9
Yes but if you think about it sith were once jedi and the sith empire are decendents. Therefore both have terrible goverment like our current goverments today.

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Guildrum
04.18.2012 , 12:32 PM | #10
Sith = Totalitarian, oppressive, freedom-restricting dictatorship/oligarchy. Change can only happen through force of arms, maybe even civil war.
Republic = Democratic, semi-corrupt government, yet has an institutionalized system for changing their system to better adapt.

Are people really saying they'd rather live under the Empire? Where basic freedoms such as speech, freedom to protest, freedom to press, etc. are taken away and the citizens are practically playthings of the force-using aristocracy? Really?
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