The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

So whether the numbers are there or not, there's a serious and tangible problem right now: There are not enough people playing (subscribed or otherwise) to sustain an MMO community on these servers.

If they don't do something to address the ghost towns that some of these servers have become, the game will have a problem.

Sure. Wondering when they're planning. I started playing SWTOR with like ~50 people. Though personally I couldn't play @ release date until now (yet I paid sub) - now out of ~50 known people there are NOONE left. People with drasticaly diffrent tastes. I asked few of them why they don't play again since they have now a 30 days free. You know what I heard? That there's nothing to comeback to. And I completely agree with them - yet my SW love is blind enough. I'm gonna still pay&play this yet I'll spent more time in Tera right now (got early access) - just because after beta tests I found out it's purely fun to deal with and I don't have to wait for some features that were scheduled as "soon". I don't write on forums how I hate SWTOR - I write because I love it and I wish it bloom. You don't even know how sad I am there aren't 5h queues anymore....

Why do you keep saying "if they don't do something to address"?? They are doing something RIGHT NOW! They have started server transfers that will propagate through all servers! They've started with Asia/Pacific, and Stephen Reid said that is ONLY THE BEGINNING!!

So, they ARE doing something about it!

Just... do yourself a favor, if you really, truly want to enjoy and stick with GW2: don't have unrealistic expectations for that game like you seemed to have for this one, and you'll be satisfied.

Sure... let's hope they will manage to handle this crisis (don't deny it isn't because it clearly is) before even most populated servers will change into ghost towns...


You don't have unrealistic expectation of GW2 - it's entirely new quality in MMO bracket. Anyone who played in beta weekends will say you the same. Because you see, GW2 even in early beta stage is more complex and less buggy than SWTOR is after half year after release. Too bad release date is not confirmed yet.

No clue if its in a decline or not, but I can never find a group to do all those elites and "heroic" quests BioWare seemingly throws at you every chance it gets, is that suppose to make the game "challenging" ?

I honestly tried to like this game, it just felt no different then one of those free MMO's (Yeah sure its Star Wars -THIS games only selling point) Just deleted my 28 Sith Warrior because the quest line was boring and they kept tossing elites after elites after elites at me. One where I had to do it solo, not everyone is a hardcore gamer

I didn't feel "heroic" at all like that fellow in the video stated when an NPC is whining and begging me to do their job, can I strike them down like a Sith would? No lol I have to kiss their butt and do it for them....

There are no quest that you MUST do solo. This is MMO game. You ask for help - people help. Althought today it may be very hard since there are not many people playing game :/

Sounds like they prepared and snowed you guys good... Because I've heard totally the opposite from the regular beta testers...

Look, what can it hurt to go in expecting it to be just another typical MMO, with all its bugs and playerbase that can't agree on anything, PvPers who constantly whine no matter how good the PvP is, and you won't disappointed.

Why are you shouting?

I said it once. And having a plan for a problem is not the same as fixing the problem. I'm not sure if that's a distinction you're capable of making, but... well there it is.

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