The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

its so fun that people cant see the difference between being on Fleet 256 ppl and fleet-1 20 people....

Im playing on red eclipse and even after people waited 20 mins to get in someone asked why tehre was so few on the fleet...... classic.)

just resubbed to see what 1.2 had to offer, unsubbed in 20 min. The graphics some how managed to look worse, the ui editior is not very good, when i hit the map, it is to large for my screen now and the top and side edges are off of my screen, as far as i could tell no way to resize the map when u press m, not the mini map. Overall game looks and feels dated been playing wow for the last month or so, and yes it looks better alot better. Game is bad

LOL, now there's an in depth review for ya.

The UI editor is not good? What? Its more dated then Wow? The UI editor is so simple a chimp could use it, and it is fully customizable beyond anything seen in an MMO before.

Honestly, this argument is absolute nonsense. I'm thinking that you re subbed so you could continue to spam the boards with this stuff.

What else needs to be said, everyone here has the game, if you dont agree and enjoy it, more power to you, nothing will change your mind anyways at this point. I think the game looks horrid and i didnt care for the new ui that much, it is what it is. At this point if you are still here playing SWTOR nothing will change your mind if the game being like it is already hasnt

Most of the negative comments are conjecture, or just plain ole fabrication. Many of the demands are well off the charts, for any MMORPG. Many of them have no understanding of how MMORPGs launch, grow, mature.

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This is an example of that conjecture. No proof at all of this, no indication of such at all. Just something made up out of thin air.

In fact, the more logical assumption would be regarding investors and the limited finances available to them until they begin to take in sales. Who is going to pay for that additional year of development with no return? There have been games of this nature that attempted to launch complete, and they failed. Horizons was a prime example. Simply ran out of money and their investors pulled out, game died.

That is the reason these games do not ship complete. MMORPGs launch with a shell, then begin development on advanced features while meeting their investment demands utilizing their paid subscriptions. I would guess that only a fraction of the posters on this board have any understanding of that at all.

Thing are definately improving.

If SWTOR has launched as it is now, several of the major complaints are gone, and several have been reduced.

The question is whether it's happening fast enough.

This is just a nonsense argument. You posted that you hate the game. The reasons you stated were ridiculous at best. I pointed that out and you paint me as deluded? I attacked your argument, you attacked me for doing so. You then attempted to discredit me by attempting to promulgate your opinion of me (ad hominem) into fact the same way you are attempting to do so with the game over all, but you have put forth no substance to back that up, just your bias opinion which is a logical fallacy.

As with every MMORPG, 3 months into launch, there are issues and there is room for improvement (which is what they do over the years, continually improve), but to argue that the UI is the reason the game is bad is, well its ridiculous. The UI modification tool is the best ever seen in this genre. To argue that 20 minutes is sufficient time to review the entirety of this content patch is also ridiculous, let alone experience it. it would take that much time to even work on your ui, yet you are condemning the entirety of the game based on that amount of time?

Sorry, not buying that at all. I'm just seeing someone that has convinced themselves of something without ever investigating it, and is then spewing negatives with no substance to back them up.

Probably a smear merchant/disinformation junkie/paid mole/etc. In a $68B industry it has to be expected.

Figures.

The sky is still falling in MMO-land, to some, regardless of which game is discussed. I think the Massively Blurb pretty much sums this thread up (and others like it). All MMO's have died!!

I can't speak for others, but all my launch day friends have canceled. My launch day guild, which lasted 3 months is gone. I'm the only one still playing from a large group of friends that did nothing but talk about this game for the past two years.

My server hasn't had a queue since the first week. It's population is ok, but borderline low. If I log in during off peak hours (8am-5pm EST) most places have single digit populations. I still find the leveling an alt side of the game fun and will continue to play it like a solo RPG until something changes or I get bored and cancel.