The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

You can talk all you want.
I have unsubbed and was the last of my guild left. 2 months ago we were around 70. My server population is probably around a 1/4 of what it was in february.
Like uncounted posters said - roaming alone through a ghost town is no fun at least that is not what I expect behind the first M in MMO.
However I do not think that SWTOR will "die" - it will just downsize to a few servers and then continue as long as the income is higher than the expenses.
SWTOR was fun when there were many people to play with. Unfortunately it didn't last long.

After 14 years of playing MMOs, finally there is only one that left an undying impression on me and kept me playing for several years : Everquest.
In the current trend of always easier, faster and massively solo MMOs I do not think that I will ever see something on a par.

Not necessarily. Since we know now, as of two days ago, that BioWare's sub numbers are NOT decreasing, here's what's happening, and it's typical for EVERY MMO:

Remember, a server's decrease in players playing at any given time of day is not due to loss of subs. On the contrary, subs are increasing, or at least remaining steady, according to BioWare. What's causing this, then, is less people playing concurrently.

For example, you have 12 subs. At launch, people are excited, take days off, use vacation, decrease other entertaining activities, etc. to play as much as possible, more than they usually do in an MMO. Over a 24 hour period, you have 2 people logging in every 4 hours, and playing 12 hours at a time. At any given time during the day, you'll see 6 people playing.

Now, the launch excitement wears off, people start returning to their normal play durations, log in times, etc. After that typical MMO "dropoff", you now have 24 subs, but you have 2 people logging in every 4 hours, and playing for 4 hours. Thus, at any given time of the day, you'll see 4 people playing instead of 6. Subs have actually doubled. But because the concurrent playtime has dropped off, there is a perceived decrease in subs.

And, as is par for the course, BioWare has started a long-term, organized server transfer system. The reason why this works better than server merges for this issue is because, again, there is no loss of subs. Thus, merging servers will only cause insane Full queue times during events and expansions. Server transfers will not, since it tends to have a more "leveling" effect.

Now, that increase for 12 to 24 is a net result. Meaning people unsub, others sub new or resub, resulting in an overall gain.

And even your beloved Everquest saw this exact same "launch surge/dropoff" trend that's going on now in TOR.

I promise, the sky isn't falling.

My advice is this.

Play out the remaining time on your cancelled accounts and then move on to something better.

Learn to play an instrument
Finish that degree
Get to know those children you sired
Read a book .

Anything.

I believe MMO ends here, this is the end of the Road. The dust has settled ...

We, all of us , see what MMO is by now. A monumental waste of time.

There is a bigger prize waiting for you , invest in YOU not some fictional avatar.

heed the word or not you must admit the basic truth.

The time you devote here awards you one thing and one thing only.

wasted time


When you are on your deathbed will you utter in your dying breath " I wish I spent more time in MMO"

Leave SWTOR

Return To Life

The last part is purely personal opinion. It's a shame that you feel this way as it does limit you in choice for sure. And of course it is "wasted time" but I will counter that with it is only "wasted" if you didn't enjoy it.

To each their own and all that.

A fair retort and I wont criticize

It is up to you what you find enjoyable.

I don't offer myself as any exception , I am a gamer also.

But my stance is this , given the negativity and the tiresome perspective that seems to prevail , don't you consider that our leisure is better spent elsewhere?

Are we not meant for something greater?

Consider this , it would be a huge task to suggest that you may listen to this and learn something from it...

Yet one hour alone ... just ONE HOUR I think would alter the perspective of all those who endeavor the effort.

Just one Hour into this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-IuRdVzGdc

we'll see the stock reports in the end so... that will give us answers how well it really goes

I know this is going to sound condescending and I apologise in advance for that but have you ever heard the expression "don't try to teach your granny how to suck eggs"? I'm older, I'm retired. I've done all the things I wanted to in life save one which I never could get to do (meet an author I loved before he died). I play games as a hobby. Not as a life focus. And I have learned that not everyone is the same nor do they wish to be. Some folks have higher callings, some folks are content with what some might call "mediocrity". Unless someone's actions directly impinge upon mine in a negative way, all I can do is give 'em a nudge in what I consider the proper direction. The rest is up to them and it is not my concern.

To bring this around to your postings...obviously you are going through a transitory point in your life and good on ya! But you are not everyone.

Thinking is good.

Sure! Right up 'til it gives you a headache.

Kidding...kidding.