The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

Starwars isnt even that good of a universe anymore anyway, the Starcraft universe is much more interesting. Honestly for it time back when videos were the thing starwars was good idea but now it old hat and need be shelved.

We're on page 59 of a thread called "The end of the argument".

And there are still plenty of threads with the same argument. I've been false advertised to by the OP!!!111!!!ZOMG!!

I find it unfair as a consumer that people whom did longer month subscriptions are not automatically given back remaining time as refund if cancel. For who wants to play a game for 1month and have payed for 6months but want to quit game so dont even login in those 6months it almost like theft. A refund needs to be offered to be fair to consumers. Infact I say class action lawsuit for those whom want the money back from subs which they canceled which are longer than the 2 months.

Yes, because 2 million subscribers are just out of touch.

Starcraft is more interesting, yet you are here. Posting.

Can't be THAT much more interesting, if you'd rather be hanging out here.

Lots of folks who enlisted for six years instead of two think it's unfair they have to stick it out for an extra four years if they're unhappy with their situation after two. Unfortunately, they also signed a binding contract, so there it is.

Do I care.

I log pretty much every day. I have fun....for pennies. Do I care what gaming magazines are predicting, especially if the facts are not scrutinized by those of an opposing contention, but just promulgated into fact? Stand back and allow two diametrically opposed viewpoints voice their contention and I'll be interested in hearing that.

Until then I'm going to continue to enjoy the game, its potential. and not worry about it. ;p

Quite right.

I agree with this to some extent. You are entirely right about the crowd who calls themselves gamers now versus the crowd even 5 or 6 years ago. Suddenly we find an entire crowd of people who want to 'play casually' and literally have everything handed to them rather than invest the time and effort us old-schoolers enjoy. (Thank you so much for that Blizz.)

So where is that point where we meet half way? The truth of the matter is: there isn't one. The instant gratification crowd that has flocked into the gaming world is NEVER going to shut up until everything offered in the game is so easy to get it isn't even worth attaining. For those of us who take our gaming serious, we see this tendency for big business to side with the larger crowd. Of course they do. In the end it's all about the money, not making an amazing game.

Personally I have been gaming since Atari. I'm pushing 40 now and I really don't enjoy playing with kids all the damn time. But I don't think we will see an adult themed MMO this decade, if ever. I don't enjoy grouping with people who can barely walk their character straight, much less be productive in a raid. But what do you do? We are a dying breed, and capitalism has no sympathy for people like us. The name Star Wars will keep enough subscribers to keep this alive for years, but the Vanilla days of WOW are probably permanently a thing of the past. Immersion isn't appealing to a populace who can't even finish a 2 hour movie in one sitting. Working with 4 people seems to be too much for most folks to handle now, so why would they want to work with 16?

So yeah, I cancelled mine as well. Won't even bother using the remaining time or the 30 days. Think I'll pull out my 2nd edition and grab all my friends who cancelled theirs as well and run a game tonight.

Not two million subscribers, at 1.7 million at the last investor meeting in march and now firms are saying its declining and at 1.25 million. What this means if true is that the game is headed downhill because they were are resoinsive to players as they should have been.

EA gets worst company of the year award. LMAO!

Called the SWTOR thing for a while. Only so many times you can say "Leave we don't care!!!" before you actually have to care....

Should have listened to the community BioFail.