The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

I'll throw my 2 cents in. Imo they keep it running and take your cash, while promising to fix said issues (everone knows what they are). I un subbed because of 1.2. They promised that it would change mmo's forever & that it would be ground breaking. I tracked this game for years hoping that it would be the game changer , they said that they'd do away with kill ten of these ten of those. That the crafting sytem would be worth it & that the sytem that they were gonna bring in made it easier for guilds and groups to operate.
The legacy system i waited soo long for is terrible. So we waited in vein from beta testing hoping that the very basic's would be fixed and for months they dangeled a scabby carrot in our faces . I have been gaming mmo's since 96
and was shocked to see the game in the state it was in upon release. The very basic things in mmo's that people expect weren't there. Simple things like lfg system (even though i cant stand pug's) i would have used the system, because thats what was needed. I was in a good guild not on a heavy server , but in the beginning like everyone else we plugged away and got our numbers up and we raided and cleared 95% of the content, hoping that 1.2 would be the answer to diminishing numbers on our server. The game is dying for a good reason, beacuse people were sold a lie. Once people did all the raiding they saw the game for exactly what it was unfinished. U cant bring in new content and not address the major issues at hand, hoping that people will stay with u through this (Testing) Phase. Thats what i saw it as, and am not paying good money to something thats broken . Maybe in a year or so when they have enough content and the bugs are fixed maybe just maybe people might return. But i cant see it happening as games like GW2 will change the way mmo's are made.

Tera is fine if you are into Raid or die or Chris Hansen specials, It's vast legal problem aside I just don't think it will put much of a dent in TOR's subscriber base, and when I say subscribers not the QQ brigade that purchased the game just to cry on the forums.

Reading this and other threads, I am stunned by the amount of people here who cannot see the wood from the trees.

Threads about how great the Rakghoul Event is, talk dangling a carrot in front of some people!

As with, I'm going to say 'most people', when 1.2 hit, we were disappointed. Promised so much and given so little. And then it's like BW had the Rakghoul event up their sleeve, 'Everyone is mad, quick do the event!', and then some people are all 'Great, this is cool again!'. It's beyond me to see how people can get sucked in.

Overall this game is a terrible MMO, many bugs, not enough content etc etc. We all have at least one gripe, even you defenders. And BW seem to treat most of us like the 'paying' fools we are. I've seen so many videos saying how they are really 'listening' to us, but I think they are hearing, but not listen. One is followed up by action, the other, isn't.

I am a 50/50 split to how this game will do. So many people have un-subbed with 1.2, but then, there are so many people that think things are so great, they will keep paying, so the game might carry on. Personally, I hope it fails, so BW can just go back to making good games again (Mass Effect 3 not included) and stop 'trying' to make an MMO that's just not working very well.

I do agree TERA wont put a huge dent. There will be some people leaving but not in droves.

GW2 and D3 are the big ones, many people i know are waiting for one of those or both of those games. I expect a HUGE decrease in server pop come may 15 and June 26 (rumored GW2 release)

How many stories have we heard (and most of us probably experienced first hand) about guilds 100+ strong dying out because people are leaving the game ?

That numbers are in decline is not even up for discussion, they are. Thats simply fact. How much they are declining on the other hand, is anyones guess. The only ones with the actual numbers on that is Bioware.

Judging from a fairly simple (but time consuming) "count" im doing on the English EU PvE servers, patch 1.2 saw a 20+ percent increase in the amount of players, we'll see how that holds up after the weekend

People keep acting like those raiding guilds MEAN something. They don't. Raiders are the minority of this game, just like they are the minority of most games.