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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

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Pantheros
04.18.2012 , 05:59 PM | #421
Quote: Originally Posted by faymar View Post
That you make crap up?
Check for yourself, it's really not that difficult.

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Kthx
04.18.2012 , 06:11 PM | #422
Quote: Originally Posted by Pantheros View Post
Well at prime time most servers don't even reach 38 players so what does that tell you?
Data? Citation? Anything to prove that this is not a completely made up statement?

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Kthx
04.18.2012 , 06:12 PM | #423
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthVindictus View Post
What this means in plain English is that you have your head in the sand.

Stage 1 of dealing with grief: Denial.
Stage 1 in losing a debate: Name calling.

If you can find any factual errors in my posting, please point them out.

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Kthx
04.18.2012 , 06:18 PM | #424
Quote: Originally Posted by Gungan View Post
No they haven't.

My usual Best Buy has like 5 copies of SWTOR and have taken down all the advertising material.
I'm not sure what we are supposed to learn from the inventory at one store. It is, however still the number #6 best selling PC game on bestbuy.com. I have a sneaking suspicion that those who buy the game also create accounts to play...

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Plautus
04.18.2012 , 06:24 PM | #425
Bioware has done a lot right with SWTOR, but the declining subscriptions are entirely on them...there's not a better competitor sniping subs. The biggest issue I see is responsiveness to issues, as in they have none. On my main, I somehow got a class quest twice. I could only complete it once, after which my story progressed beyond the point at which I could complete it...though there was a weird point where I had both phases of the story going at the same time, and both required me to talk to the same guy, but he was about 15 feet away from where he'd been originally, so I had two copies of them, only the "fresh" copy interactable. I submitted a ticket and was told "Sorry, we can't remove that quest from your log. Too bad". Similarly, the imperial side daily on Ilum that gets bugged out every reset. It's a wholly uncomplicated mission...interact with thing on ground, fight x mobs (or x time) defending it. Profit. 3 months after release it *still* hadn't been corrected, and their only response was "known issue, we're investigating." Meanwhile, one faction can't earn as many daily commendations as the other, because there's a flaw in one of the few things for a level 50 to do. Ilum was a good example in general of Bioware's basic approach of "do nothing until we absolutely, positively have to...then kneejerk like its a brand new issue and do the wrong thing."

If I leave, it'll be because Bioware doesn't care to fix their mistakes, not even the easy ones.

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Tenceriker
04.18.2012 , 06:24 PM | #426
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
Stage 1 in losing a debate: Name calling.

If you can find any factual errors in my posting, please point them out.
Stage 1 In Continuing to Lose A Debate: Beating around the bush/avoiding the question

You are in denial over the state of the game and without more people waking up and demanding the game change it will do much worse than it could if fans lit a fire under Bioware to improve the server issues, balancing, merges, etc.
Relabeling future patches as Expansions, just like EA Louse said a year ago. Who got the last laugh?

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BrainSplatter
04.18.2012 , 06:32 PM | #427
News about EA's recent layoff is not new. It's been circulating for a while now. And 'evidence' in the first link about BF3 and SWTOR having a poor commercial performance is just some guy talking out of his ***.
Glorious Collector's Edition owner, lording it over all the other plebs.

Beeska mu-moolee bu Halapu. Ho-ho-ho-ho!

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DavidJVB
04.18.2012 , 06:45 PM | #428
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthVindictus View Post
Think of it like treating someone for shock. In shock, either the blood vessels dilate (anaphylaxis), so blood pressure/circulation drops because you have the same amount of blood that suddenly needs to fill more space, or, the person is losing blood (hypovolemic) because now that same space has to be filled by a smaller amount of blood. Either way, that person is dying, circulation is disrupted, organs shut down, etc. While yes, the best way to treat it is to add more blood (analogous to suddenly getting hundreds of thousands of new players), a way to stabilize them and keep them from dying and keep consciousness is to do things like elevate the legs, or administer epinephrine. The goal of this is to pool more of the blood available into the vital organs and brain (instead of in the legs), and to constrict the blood vessels, That gets the most circulation to the places that need it, until you can get a transfusion.
An interesting analogy, but I'm not sure how you would incorporate cardiogenic shock (heart failure from either diminished contractility or arrhythmia), so it's an imperfect fit. Also, if the shock is purely hypovolemic and not hemorrhagic (say from dehydration -- perhaps that would be server congestion from volume contraction in this case) it can be fixed by volume infusion (crystalloid or colloid -- not sure how this would fit the analogy either) rather than blood transfusion (new players).

Perhaps the recent 7-day offer is the equivalent of a cell saver, allowing Bioware to "reinfuse" some players who have already "hemorrhaged"?

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DarthVindictus
04.18.2012 , 06:47 PM | #429
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
Stage 1 in losing a debate: Name calling.

If you can find any factual errors in my posting, please point them out.
Populations did go down starting in January, you went from seeing 200+ people on the fleet across many servers and then peaking under 100.

Hundreds of thousands of people only did the first free month, and from their tactics with the 30 free days (the timing of it), they either expect to lose 100K+ more, or already have had people cancel their 3 month subs and are just riding it out.

I highly doubt there were 300,000 people who bought the game but didn't ever play the game. There may be a few, but the overwhelming majority of those 300,000 people will be those who entered their credit card so that they could use the free month, and then immediately cancelled subscription, only riding out the free month before they were billed.

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DarthVindictus
04.18.2012 , 06:50 PM | #430
Quote: Originally Posted by DavidJVB View Post
An interesting analogy, but I'm not sure how you would incorporate cardiogenic shock (heart failure from either diminished contractility or arrhythmia), so it's an imperfect fit. Also, if the shock is purely hypovolemic and not hemorrhagic (say from dehydration -- perhaps that would be server congestion from volume contraction in this case) it can be fixed by volume infusion (crystalloid or colloid -- not sure how this would fit the analogy either) rather than blood transfusion (new players).

Perhaps the recent 7-day offer is the equivalent of a cell saver, allowing Bioware to "reinfuse" some players who have already "hemorrhaged"?
It's a simplified analogy yes, of course die hard fanboys on these forums will claim the life threatening illness of this game to be "Septic Shock" claiming everything wrong is from the "trolls and 4chanz" on the forums, so there's another one huh?