The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

If they implement the ability to remove the red error text and sound associated with it, i would renew my sub when its up.

For now though im not even on the fence about it, its either that change is made or i'm gone. i havent logged in since the hour or so i played after 1.2.0. Just makes the game lose too much immersion factor for me.

Think of it like treating someone for shock. In shock, either the blood vessels dilate (anaphylaxis), so blood pressure/circulation drops because you have the same amount of blood that suddenly needs to fill more space, or, the person is losing blood (hypovolemic) because now that same space has to be filled by a smaller amount of blood. Either way, that person is dying, circulation is disrupted, organs shut down, etc. While yes, the best way to treat it is to add more blood (analogous to suddenly getting hundreds of thousands of new players), a way to stabilize them and keep them from dying and keep consciousness is to do things like elevate the legs, or administer epinephrine. The goal of this is to pool more of the blood available into the vital organs and brain (instead of in the legs), and to constrict the blood vessels, That gets the most circulation to the places that need it, until you can get a transfusion.

Obviously in this case, we got a little bit of both, the blood vessels (servers) are dilated (too many of them), and we're bleeding (losing subscribers). So they need to do hemorrhage control (stop losing subscribers), and they need to elevate the legs, and administer epinephrine (merge servers to keep a lively population on each server). A transfusion (getting a bunch of new players) is probably not going to happen any time soon, the initial rush of purchasing the game when it first came out is over, 1.2 probably not enough because you're trying to Out-WoW World of Warcraft, which means, you actually have to have as much end game content or more to actually convince people to leave, that takes time.

The best thing they can do to get a good transfusion.. is to NOT raise the level cap, but make an expansion that focuses purely on end game content, so that they can push out enough raids to convince people to leave WoW.. if that's what they're going for.

I don't see EA trying to break the MMO mold and doing something different which is what will be key to GW2's success, so focusing on beating WoW in the end game department is the best they can hope for.

Dying? dying? that's a joke. It's already dead brah. Yeah some curious heads came back to 1.2 ive noticed about 80 extra people on my server during prime time which brings it up to 170-180 on the fleet. They won't last long.

I don't know, maybe I am underestimating the amount of people that enjoy derpfest pvp. Derp, derp smash buttons, derp, derp smash more buttons, derp, derp...

The world/us first raiding guild, Condemmed, is leaving this game. That says something.

To me, the only thing it says is that... the first raiding guild left. This is just like WoW in the way that raiding is not the majority thing. It's like saying the best PvPer has left. I hope the best for him, but he's hardly indicative of any large movement.

I would actually re-sub if I could find [Prototype]TT-15A Powertech Boots on The Jekk'Jekk Tarr Imperial GTN at 10PM CDT tonight (when I last check it before my account expires).

This is a complete failure of logic.

By what method do you leap from simply acknowledging that the "world/US's first raiding guild" was playing this game to the idea that they MUST remain and be entirely happy with the game and stay forever, or else the game is dying?

Maybe they just prefer orcs and goblins.

LOL. If you are't kidding, that's very sad.

However Positive I really am about it, still missing is the HORRENDOUS void in user experience

Still missing -

Transfer
oPvP
Guild usefulness (banks is really a tiny tiny part)
Add-On community

I don't live my life or make life decisions based on what the flock is doing. I'll play SWTOR as long as I have fun playing it.

Saved? That's crazy-talk. Just ask the guys waiting in a 35 minute queue.