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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

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FSA_shadow
04.16.2012 , 05:15 PM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by unseenmaji View Post
Those whom have insider information know that some investors have actually pulled out, so EA is considering downsizing the team and working on their next project than throwing more money and getting more loss. There is a major problem in subscriptions, when the subs which people have now run out the ones which arnt active cause dont find game worth logging in it going to drop by a huge number and EA is aware of that, with coming games coming out it also going to drop, estimations behind close doors is less than 400k subs by mid year, there is some last ditch efforts taking place like throwing in a exploding char patch to appeal to the lesser minded people whom can be distracted by such ploys but the deeper thinkers dont fall for it.

They truly when decided to give the 30 days free was because of the subs falling it was setup as a PR damage control but would not taken place if not for the financial side struggling and loss of investors.
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Orrow
04.16.2012 , 05:17 PM | #212
If EA lays off 500-1000 people there will be no saving SWTOR, if you stay after that you'll just be going down with the ship. EA has never had the patience or commitment to grow a product. If its not immediately successful if gets axed, then EA will just buy out a game studio blow another one hundred million on another title. This game could be a healthy 1.5-2.5 million subscription game if EA supported it long term but they wont, they want Blizzard money and if this game cant deliver that EA will shut it down.

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TonyIommi
04.16.2012 , 05:21 PM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by Orrow View Post
If EA lays off 500-1000 people there will be no saving SWTOR, if you stay after that you'll just be going down with the ship. EA has never had the patience or commitment to grow a product. If its not immediately successful if gets axed, then EA will just buy out a game studio blow another one hundred million on another title. This game could be a healthy 1.5-2.5 million subscription game if EA supported it long term but they wont, they want Blizzard money and if this game cant deliver that EA will shut it down.
Google john reticello talking about how many subs they need to keep the game profitable. Do some *********** research before you post nonsense here. Not once did they ever expect to hit 10 million subs. Don't presume ignorance on their part simply because your full of it.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/02...s-to-make-swt/

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DragoAskani
04.16.2012 , 05:22 PM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by Rivethed View Post
It's just sad that today's MMO developers REFUSE (seemingly) to learn from other companies triumphs and mistakes.

Folks bad mouth World of Warcraft all the time but Blizzard has set the industry standard for what players expect in an mmo. Period.

*** is so hard to understand?

I understand that features like cross-server grouping and such take time to develop but DEVELOPERS TODAY SHOULD KNOW IT'S EXPECTED.

There is no excuse for releaseing an mmo without standard features. Its just GREED on the part of the Suits.

Smoke on that awhile.
And yet people ***** and moan about wow all the time. So if you follow the formula too closely you may set yourself up to failure from that angle as well. But of course you didn't think of that did you?

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DragoAskani
04.16.2012 , 05:24 PM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by Orrow View Post
If EA lays off 500-1000 people there will be no saving SWTOR, if you stay after that you'll just be going down with the ship. EA has never had the patience or commitment to grow a product. If its not immediately successful if gets axed, then EA will just buy out a game studio blow another one hundred million on another title. This game could be a healthy 1.5-2.5 million subscription game if EA supported it long term but they wont, they want Blizzard money and if this game cant deliver that EA will shut it down.
You do realize that 500-1000 people is 5-10% of EAs current staffing right? So while its not a good thing, many big companies are having layoffs right now. Games sales are down across the board very badly.

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TonyIommi
04.16.2012 , 05:26 PM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by DragoAskani View Post
You do realize that 500-1000 people is 5-10% of EAs current staffing right? So while its not a good thing, many big companies are having layoffs right now. Games sales are down across the board very badly.
EA is also alot bigger than just Bioware. It could be that BW doesn't get touched. It's safe to assume that these will be targeted lay offs, trimming the fat so to speak. We don't know what the fat is, so again were back to speculation.

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ztee
04.16.2012 , 05:28 PM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by Morpheous View Post
Those features take resources to develop, and depending how the engine works, the databases are setup, and various coding issues, it can be alot more difficult then "just make it happen".

Gamers seriously need to stop thinking that they know software development better than people actually educated to do so.
He didnt make any claims about knowing how it the development works.

He simply stated what people wanted - and i agree with him to a certain extent.

I dont care how "it works" - just what they provide, and atm its a half baked service.

This isnt a bad time waster, and ill probably play casually for a little bit longer, but come may 15th, i dont think it stands a chance (atleast for me) .....

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DragonianJedi
04.16.2012 , 05:30 PM | #218
Oh, I agree. This game is dying.

But guess what, nobody said it was dead, only that it was DYING.

Consider the following:

"Living" is what happens between the time something is born/created and something dies.

"Dying" is what happens between the time something is born/created and something dies.

The only real difference is the perspective one takes when viewing the situation. I prefer to think that the game is simply "living," knowing that someday the game will die and knowing that not a single person on this earth really knows when it will be dead.

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TonyIommi
04.16.2012 , 05:32 PM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by ztee View Post
He didnt make any claims about knowing how it the development works.

He simply stated what people wanted - and i agree with him to a certain extent.

I dont care how "it works" - just what they provide, and atm its a half baked service.

This isnt a bad time waster, and ill probably play casually for a little bit longer, but come may 15th, i dont think it stands a chance (atleast for me) .....
Okay so if may 15th comes and all the features are there would that make a difference? Tell me in a year from now if all that **** is in game will it make a difference? Will people look back and say mannnnn star wars didn't have X at launch? No of course not. Nobody cares about what you did or didn't have at launch. They care about what your bringing to the table as soon as a possible. In the long run successful mmos are not built on their launches they are built on what they add and how fast they add it. They are built on the GROWTH OF FEATURES. 1.3 is expected to contain many features including dual spec, group finder, server transfer, cross realm pvp and rated pvp. Some of those will likely get pulled back I'm sure but even if 4/5 of those make it were already getting there.

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Icebergy
04.16.2012 , 05:33 PM | #220
Its a good thing I check the forums, otherwise I would have no idea that I am not enjoying the game and need to cancel...
Unsubscribed due to no new Operations.
I am happy that there will be a renewed focus on story, I love story, its why I picked this MMO. But I picked an MMO, not an episodic single player RPG that I have to pay a subscription to receive the episodes.