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Remove the rakghoul plague now


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KrittaB
04.16.2012 , 09:53 AM | #1021
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Once again..what some think are silly and lame..others take serously. Does not make them wrong or you right. And if they do quit over a event like this affecting them...I would say BW lost some subs when it could be easily avoided by smart design.
Someone quitting over a temporary world event? I doubt BW lost any subs that they wouldn't be losing over any number of other ridiculous reasons, especially since this one was implemented so well.

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Azzras
04.16.2012 , 09:53 AM | #1022
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
You're still working off the concept that I want to have anything to do with the event and that I should just cause it gives me credits. Sorry but no. I still have no interest in the ghoul event just cause some credits are being thrown around.



Still working under the impression I want to have anything to do with a poorly designed event. Sorry, at no time does blowing up colorfully even remotely sound interesting.

If you like it thats great. I'm not saying just get rid of the event, but damn you'd think BW could design it a little smarter.

If it was created correctly, people that wanted to participate could and those that think it's rather stupid could avoid it.

If it was designed correctly, you or anyone else would have never made it off the planet.
It was designed correctly. The plague is spreading. You do not have a choice in that. Either hide like a Sith moisture farmer or face it like a true Jedi.

Either way, you cannot ignore this plague.

And you also cannot ever...EVER...say you RP.
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Korrigan
04.16.2012 , 09:54 AM | #1024
I hope Bioware will read these threads carefully and see it's only like a couple of posters repeating the same stuff over and over that are against this event, and that the very vast majority (like 99%) are having fun with it.
And it's even better in game... I have yet to see a single person complain about being infected. Even the "newbies/lowbies" who get it on the fleet first ask on the general chat what the hell it is, and then laugh and actually want to participate.
The developers must NOT give in to a couple of people on forums who are on some sort of crusade because there was actually some player interaction going beyond the "group 2 kill" in a MMORPG.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent." - Qui-Gon Jinn.

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Skolops
04.16.2012 , 09:54 AM | #1025
Quote: Originally Posted by Scar View Post
Here's the thing: you can dislike it all you want, but people are going to point out the incongruity of not liking something because of the reasons.

Wanting to not be affected by anything but on their own terms?

You said MMORPG and highlighted the RPG, but let's now highlight the MM (you know, the part that people keep saying it's not enough of?) part.

These games are full of other people, and you can be affected by them (positively and negatively) throughout gameplay. Isolating it to where they can not takes it further and further from the MMOG and more into the single player aspect that so many people seem to complain about.

So hate the event all you want, but your criticism wont exist in a vacuum. People will comment on it. Especially when you consider a lot of the reasons being used here. (Not even mentioning the fact of how easy it is to avoid, and the results are all positive if you are in fact effected by it unwantedly).
A few things....

First, it's true that it's an MMO, but remember that even the MM parts of it are regulated by policy. BW does not want people having a miserable time because of other players' behavior.

Second, it's really not other players that are ultimately changing people's experiences, but the design BW chose to implement with this event. Regardless of how an MMO can behave dynamically, there are still core gameplay mechanics which this plague is changing, and I think its perfectly reasonable that people who enjoyed the mechanics of the game as it was may be a bit unhappy with this.

Finally, and this is the biggest problem I have right now:

With exceptions, of course, I have noticed an unfortunate trend. When folks say they like the event, the folks who don't like it generally respond with something like, "It's good that you like it, but I don't and here's why."

When folks say they don't like it, those who do generally respond with something like, "You just have to complain, don't you, you troll. Go unsubscribe if you feel that way, your kind is bad for the game anyways!"

Again, these are not hard and fast, universal truths, but they have been fairly strong trends. There's rarely any actual intellectual discussion of the points involved.

That I find very unfortunate.

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Sarge_
04.16.2012 , 09:55 AM | #1026
Quote: Originally Posted by KrittaB View Post
Someone quitting over a temporary world event? I doubt BW lost any subs that they wouldn't be losing over any number of other ridiculous reasons.
New, Fresh, working as intended, 95% optional content, with 5% non optional REWARDED content.

Unsub?? sense?

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DieAlteHexe
04.16.2012 , 09:57 AM | #1027
Quote: Originally Posted by Korrigan View Post
I hope Bioware will read these threads carefully and see it's only like a couple of posters repeating the same stuff over and over that are against this event, and that the very vast majority (like 99%) are having fun with it.
And it's even better in game... I have yet to see a single person complain about being infected. Even the "newbies/lowbies" who get it on the fleet first ask on the general chat what the hell it is, and then laugh and actually want to participate.
The developers must NOT give in to a couple of people on forums who are on some sort of crusade because there was actually some player interaction going beyond the "group 2 kill" in a MMORPG.
Agreed. This is silly fun and whilst I'm sorry to hear that some folks don't like it, it is EASILY avoided.

Excuse me, I need to go blow up again.
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Azzras
04.16.2012 , 09:58 AM | #1028
Quote: Originally Posted by Skolops View Post
A few things....

First, it's true that it's an MMO, but remember that even the MM parts of it are regulated by policy. BW does not want people having a miserable time because of other players' behavior.

Second, it's really not other players that are ultimately changing people's experiences, but the design BW chose to implement with this event. Regardless of how an MMO can behave dynamically, there are still core gameplay mechanics which this plague is changing, and I think its perfectly reasonable that people who enjoyed the mechanics of the game as it was may be a bit unhappy with this.

Finally, and this is the biggest problem I have right now:

With exceptions, of course, I have noticed an unfortunate trend. When folks say they like the event, the folks who don't like it generally respond with something like, "It's good that you like it, but I don't and here's why."

When folks say they don't like it, those who do generally respond with something like, "You just have to complain, don't you, you troll. Go unsubscribe if you feel that way, your kind is bad for the game anyways!"

Again, these are not hard and fast, universal truths, but they have been fairly strong trends. There's rarely any actual intellectual discussion of the points involved.

That I find very unfortunate.
You highlighted the RPG part earlier. Maybe you don't really know what that means.

You are not the GM/DM/whatever other master you want to call it. They control the world and you react to it. You can't tell them, no I don't like that there is a dragon in front of me...remove it now.

MMORPG is what we have.

Enjoy the plague.
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Skolops
04.16.2012 , 09:58 AM | #1029
Quote: Originally Posted by Korrigan View Post
I hope Bioware will read these threads carefully and see it's only like a couple of posters repeating the same stuff over and over that are against this event, and that the very vast majority (like 99%) are having fun with it.
And it's even better in game... I have yet to see a single person complain about being infected. Even the "newbies/lowbies" who get it on the fleet first ask on the general chat what the hell it is, and then laugh and actually want to participate.
The developers must NOT give in to a couple of people on forums who are on some sort of crusade because there was actually some player interaction going beyond the "group 2 kill" in a MMORPG.
I hope BW will read these things and see that, while many liked this all, many did not, and I hope BW will value those customers as well and perhaps take their desires into account in the future. You cannot please everyone all of the time, but you should try to please everyone some of the time.

It's not about "giving in." It's about realizing that they've pleased some subscribers today, but have disappointed others who are just as valuable and should be the target of future efforts.

The number of 99%, btw, is simply not remotely consistent with the ratio of the actual post counts here.

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Lugosi
04.16.2012 , 09:59 AM | #1030
Quote: Originally Posted by Skolops View Post
Here's the thing: the people complaining don't believe it's a minor effect.

Consider this: people are playing, here, an MMORPG. Some of the people who are playing it are going to care enough about those RPG elements to be pretty upset when their character is infected with this plague and all that goes along with it.

Let them dislike it.

From what I've seen, they are letting you like it (the OP excluded). They just want the opportunity to be heard as to why they do not enjoy it. On the other side of things, any time anyone says he dislikes the plague, he's attacked with names of every sort.

You would say it's a minor impact on these players, but they may feel its a major impact, and the fact is, we're talking about a game here - something for and based on entertainment. By it's very definition, what people enjoy or do not enjoy about it will be tremendously subjective. If someone feels its a major impact, its a major impact, because the nature of games is that their impact is very personal.
Isn't role playing suppose to be like emmersing yourself in a fictional world pretending it's real? How many outside elements in real life can one control the outcome of? This is kind of like saying I don't like getting killed by mobs out in the game world because it messes up my role playing, or life isn't fair because I got the cold. It's part of the game now, role play with it, or get over it. This is such a trivial matter people.
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