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BIG_M
04.16.2012 , 09:50 AM | #61
it really wasn't that hard of a fight our guild went in there with no knowledge of the bosses due to us wanting to figure stuff out as we went on our first attempt we got them to 69% each which wasn't a bad effort we got better at telling what was going to happen next after a couple wipes after that constantly improving each we got to 50% we then decided to change the positioning of the bosses so that the melee dps and off-tank had more room to move when toth did his bezerk on our first attempt with new positioning we almost had it but killed zorn to fast and toth still had 30% health left when he soft enraged got him down to 19% before wipe, 2nd time we got them both down to 3 and 15% and on our 3rd go we nailed it without a hitch all members except one had columi gear or better the other one was in a mix of champion and battlemaster setup was sorc and operative healer dps were deception assassin marauder a mercenary and a sniper with a assassin tank and powetech off tank.
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sbutehorn
04.16.2012 , 09:59 AM | #62
I don't like how the OP is speaking for what he presumes is the majority. I feel he is describing and speaking for me without speaking the truth.

I am a casual player. I raid 2 times per week. I have 1 level 50 sorc healer with a mix of Rakatta and Columni. I have not beat HM KP yet, we are working on it. We have beat HM EV but just recently.

That being said we went into Story Mode EC yesterday to try the new content. We wiped over and over as tanks learned to transition and healers learned the new healing necessary.

We were able to kill the first boss in there and our vent had a rousing cheer. There is satisfaction from completing a challenge. I don't want it handed to me, I want to have to fight for it and be good. Even as casual I take pride in succeeding and overcoming challenge.

I would ask BW to leave it alone and let us learn from it. This is way too new to be calling for nerfs. If it is overtuned we will know in the months to come but try and learn it first.

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DamenX
04.16.2012 , 10:07 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Ewgal View Post
I am not so certain. If only 10% of players or less are able to do the new ops content (and Flashpoint for that matter) then it likely will be re-tuned to something more do-able by the average player. After all the average player is the majority of the Bioware SWTOR paying customers. Way it goes for better or worst usually.
I am so sick of people using this excuse to why the content should be nerfed. There are 4 bosses in the new instance. So basically just because casual players cant go in there and faceroll 4/4 your first night the content is to hard for the casual player base? Thats a bunch of ********. If poeple are having issues take a little time out to do something called strategize. There are combat logs now for a reason. Find out what is causing the wipes and work on fixing it. This content is on its firast week and its probably gonna be expected to last imo at least 4 months.
My guild went in there and wiped on him as well we to are a casual raid guild. We raid fri and sunday for 3 hours a night and i'm glad we wiped to him. I was'nt expecting to clear it i was just happy for a challenge in which required some team work.
I cant beleieve after a few days of this being released poeple are already crying for f'n nerfs. That is beyong stupid.
People act like everything should just be handed to them just for logging in. Than a month later they wil be crying how there is nothing to do anymore.

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DeeMoneyBig
04.16.2012 , 10:48 AM | #64
The loot in EC Story mode is all available by some other means in SWTOR. Hard mode KP, EV and Dailies are all much easier than EC, which is great. It's not as if you are all locked out of some sort of loot drop because you think it's too hard.

If you take the time to learn the mechanics, you will beat it.

Keep it as-is...

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_droider_
04.16.2012 , 12:24 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by DeeMoneyBig View Post
The loot in EC Story mode is all available by some other means in SWTOR. Hard mode KP, EV and Dailies are all much easier than EC, which is great. It's not as if you are all locked out of some sort of loot drop because you think it's too hard.

If you take the time to learn the mechanics, you will beat it.

Keep it as-is...
No greater satisfaction in an MMO than beating something that takes perfect execution by all people involved, and only the top 10% can claim success.

Best advice is to take your best 8 and perfect the strategy before attempting 16 man. I know mechanics aren't exactly the same, but it's less risk (more people = higher chance for a mistake).

My former guild (that has both NMM titles) took down the first bosses after a few attempts on 16 story. We wiped at least 6 times so far now on the guns. Damn DPS and those shield generators... Best attempt was 10% remaining and a healer made a careless mistake and let a tank die. We could have saved a lot of time and just ran our best 8. Either way, strategy has been perfected and now we wait to have a mistake-free run.

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rizBRAH
04.16.2012 , 01:09 PM | #66
Most contrent pre 1.2 was too easy, im all for the final op being very difficult.. if its all down in a few tries whats there to try and achieve?

Game gets boring fast with nothing to progress to.

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janeping
04.16.2012 , 01:29 PM | #67
EC is next tier from KP/EV. It drops Rakata gear in story mode. How do you expect it to be "easy". You can't just bring anyone in and expect to clear it in couple of tries. My guild got the first boss(es) down the first night we were in there. None of us had done the fight on PTS, we just read it online then go from there. It was a fun fight. Once we figured out the mechanism, it's not bad at all. We only raid couple of nights per week as well. I wouldn't say casual players can't progress in EC. More like fail players can't. I rather have some challenge than have everything hand to me. What's the fun in that if you don't try to break your head while learning a new fight? Everquest 72 man raid 6 days a week anyone? Sometimes I do miss the difficulty of those raids!

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Nessirin
04.16.2012 , 02:38 PM | #68
Depends on what mode you're doing it on.

Denova 16 man is like (at least) hardmode 8 man. After our 16, we got a rag-tag group of 8, and steamrolled that place. I think the 16 man story needs a little adjustment, but 8 man is already easy.
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Smaltie
04.16.2012 , 07:14 PM | #69
I'm actually really enjoying EC, the enrage timers are a little close on Minesweeper until you get the hang of it and the time to take the bomb guys down on the final fight seems a bit short if a DPS is slacking off bu overall it's awesome.

We walked in on Friday night for the first time, no reading of strats just to get a feel for the place, down the first boss encounter on SM on the second attempt in Columi/Rakata gear, Sorc and Op healer.

These fights are a complete pain in the arse until you get the mechanics then they are fairly easy but they don't really forgive a slip up which is awesome! Minesweeper can go suck a fat one though, that's going to be annoying every week -_-

Also just to specify, we are a casual guild as well, raid usually 2 nights a week (maybe 3 now we have 3 Operations - Although we do like progression)
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Ruuprect
04.17.2012 , 10:20 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by krinaman View Post
It either needs nerfed or raiding for "casuals" is over in this game.

Not everyone considers wiping all night trying to learn the dance steps as fun. Many will come into this place wipe a half a dozen times and just quit raiding.

Then when it's down to 5% of the population raiding it won't make sense to devote a bunch of devs to that content.
What is wrong with people. Do you want to walk in and one shot it with no effort, wiping all hight is fun. How else will you learn how to do it?

Ugh, cant believe so many people like easy mode crap.
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