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Jedi Exile? - The Old Republic

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MiraBindo
01.17.2012 , 05:20 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by EngineerDavid View Post
Kotor I was WAY better storyline then Kotor II !!!

Yes maybe the gameplay was better in Kotor II(should be, it's a sequel so they have to improve), but the story with the entire Kreia-stuff... Not really...
This exactly, i totally agree. If Kotor I had the same gameplay and the psudo Advanced classes you could unlock there would be no contest.

Whenever i replay Kotor II i tend to get to Malachor V and stop playing cause the ending is so blah.

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Kuolema
01.17.2012 , 05:27 AM | #22
It should be old news at this point, but do people forget that KOTOR 2 was an unfinished game? the entire ending was cut out of the game. Of course this does not chage the reality of what is, but I think its important to keep in mind when comparing the two.

I found myself more entrenched in the KOTOR 2 story up until it went all whack, than I did with KOTOR 1.

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Alcarinn
01.17.2012 , 05:33 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by EngineerDavid View Post
Kotor I was WAY better storyline then Kotor II !!!

Yes maybe the gameplay was better in Kotor II(should be, it's a sequel so they have to improve), but the story with the entire Kreia-stuff... Not really...

It's only after reading the novel Revan that I understood who The Exile was, in the game it just seems so pointless sometimes, with al those boring discussions with Kreia...

If it were me, I would have shoved the ***** out of the airlock of the Pegasus, it was so obvious she was going to betray The Exile by killing the Order. Seems so pointless too, you spend an entire game saving 3 Jedi Masters, then suddenly they get killed...

I just didn't have the feeling of really living the story, and I played the story entirely(every plot, quest and conversation was made, I also played the game multiple times)


I'm sorry but IMO Kotor I > Kotor II


The part where KOTOR II wins over KOTOR I apart from being better in terms of graphic etc is the fact that KOTOR I is more hollywoodish with the end etc where KOTOR II has more tragical storyline all over...

Thats why i loved KOTOR II.... i knew How KOTOR I will end the second i installed it i had no such feeling in KOTOR II.

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Rayla_Felana
01.17.2012 , 10:18 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by EngineerDavid View Post
Kotor I was WAY better storyline then Kotor II !!!

Yes maybe the gameplay was better in Kotor II(should be, it's a sequel so they have to improve), but the story with the entire Kreia-stuff... Not really...

It's only after reading the novel Revan that I understood who The Exile was, in the game it just seems so pointless sometimes, with al those boring discussions with Kreia...

If it were me, I would have shoved the ***** out of the airlock of the Pegasus, it was so obvious she was going to betray The Exile by killing the Order. Seems so pointless too, you spend an entire game saving 3 Jedi Masters, then suddenly they get killed...

I just didn't have the feeling of really living the story, and I played the story entirely(every plot, quest and conversation was made, I also played the game multiple times)


I'm sorry but IMO Kotor I > Kotor II
KotOR is just A New Hope 4,000 years ago, it is incredibly over-rated for a rip-off, it also has an incredibly childish morality system, it's a choice between being the ultimate Jedi saint that saves the orphan or the dumb**** evil 4 Lolz that kills the orphan with lightning for no reason.

KotOR II is far more mature, you don't have a silly amount of plot armour on and you aren't the ultimate hero/villain with Jesus level praise, you are just a person, and you have the decision to follow the path of Darth Nihilus which turns you into nothing but a wound or you can try and do whatever you can for the republic and the Jedi you still defend, you won't wage epic wars, you'll just fight your battles, no praise or rewards but being a Jedi, which is exactly the point.

Because of what Meetra Surik did, all life was saved from Nihilus and then Traya, she Stabilised the Republic and stopped it's collapse, she rebuilt the Order and trained several padawans at the sametime, her actions saved the Republic, the Jedi, and all life, she was never rewarded for it or commended for it, she had no support in her actions, just belief In The Jedi way and
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WhoDaresWins
01.17.2012 , 10:30 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
KotOR is just A New Hope 4,000 years ago, it is incredibly over-rated for a rip-off, it also has an incredibly childish morality system, it's a choice between being the ultimate Jedi saint that saves the orphan or the dumb**** evil 4 Lolz that kills the orphan with lightning for no reason.

KotOR II is far more mature, you don't have a silly amount of plot armour on and you aren't the ultimate hero/villain with Jesus level praise, you are just a person, and you have the decision to follow the path of Darth Nihilus which turns you into nothing but a wound or you can try and do whatever you can for the republic and the Jedi you still defend, you won't wage epic wars, you'll just fight your battles, no praise or rewards but being a Jedi, which is exactly the point.

Because of what Meetra Surik did, all life was saved from Nihilus and then Traya, she Stabilised the Republic and stopped it's collapse, she rebuilt the Order and trained several padawans at the sametime, her actions saved the Republic, the Jedi, and all life, she was never rewarded for it or commended for it, she had no support in her actions, just belief In The Jedi way and
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I couldn't have said it any better myself. I liked Revan, but I always found the Exile to be a much more interesting character. Plus, all the fanboys who parade around Revan like he is some amazing, God-like, avatar of pure unstoppable awesome put me off him a lot.

The Exile was just that, an exile. It was a far better plot point than "Lolamnesia". Yes, finding out YOU are Darth Revan was a decent twist purely for the shock factor, but that is all it was, a shock. The Exile never had that.
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Rhudian
01.17.2012 , 10:44 AM | #26
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The Exile was just that, an exile. It was a far better plot point than "Lolamnesia". Yes, finding out YOU are Darth Revan was a decent twist purely for the shock factor, but that is all it was, a shock. The Exile never had that.
Revan was also a turning point--for the worse, in my opinion--in how Bioware started telling stories. The whole concept of a character you owned taking part in epic events was trashed in favor of you being told just what sort of epic character you are.

Old-school Bioware games made you feel like you were influencing a world. New Bioware games feel like reading a comic book.

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smartalectwo
01.17.2012 , 10:52 AM | #27
Lest we forget, it was KOTOR2 that began the Revan fan craziness by introducing the idea that Revan was trying to save the Republic, and retconning the Jedi Civil War into Revan's grand plan to stop the oncoming dark mysterious threat, and Revan's fall to the Dark Side as somehow heroic and intentional. That wasn't in KOTOR1.
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Seuria
01.17.2012 , 11:11 AM | #28
KOTOR2 was, simply, a more complex game from a moral standpoint. The notion that decisions -- sometimes even when they're so well intentioned -- can have dire consequences is something that I have long thought was missing in the Star Wars universe. Add into that the notion that from a certain perspective everyone was both right and wrong. The Jedi were wrong because they were passive and dogmatically conservative when assessing the Mandalorian threat, and, later, in dealing with Surik. They were right because there were consequences for going to war. The Revanchists were right because their actions saved the Republic, but they were unable to see the consequences of their decisions -- except, of course, just one.

I honestly think Surik is my favorite character because she's the most human. Her decisions cost her so much in life, and though it took her time and anguish, she learned from them and came to accept the consequences they brought. Like she told Mira, she learned to accept the echoes her decisions created, and that is why she not only refounded the Order, but was able to outlast everyone around her in every meaningful way.

Just my opinion, anyway.

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Jedikillar
07.30.2012 , 05:43 PM | #29
suriks a better character than revan. revan is more powerful though, which contributes to his popularity. but as someone else pointed out, in kotor 1 all we knew was that revan was hero, then he was evil, then he was forced to be hero again. kotor 2, the novel, and swtor introduced that he was mind controlled and fighting the emperors control the whole time. then swtor came out and they made revan go evil again, this time on his own(ofc, he was just about complete ds at the end of the mando wars before being mind f***ed by the emperor.) least meetra got to die a hero, rather than crzy evil wiping out 97% of the empire after falling to the darkside yet again...

kotor 1 has the big twist, but the darkside/ls decisions in it is kick the puppy or pet the puppy...kotor 2 does have a darker and more mature story, and would have been a great game were it to be finished and some more bugs worked out.
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WayneKarrion
04.05.2013 , 12:07 PM | #30
I have to agree with KOTOR 2 being the better story in and of itself. I'm mixed emotion when it comes to the two however. KOTOR 1 has some of the better companions (Such as Mission and her wookie, and the Cathar and Bastilla, I also like Canderous better here) but I like Mira and Visas and the Handmaiden from KOTOR 2. HK is better in the first game as well. But something KOTOR 1 does that annoys me is makes you start as a non jedi and then multiclass, I always hated that. I did hate that in Kotor 1 the ls/ds choice was so absolute, but at the same time when you get the jedi masters together in KOTOR 2 the game does what I condider to be an rpg sin and muddles the two endings, in that LS/DS suddenly stop mattering and Treia chastises you regardless and you have the same ending. I always felt in an rpg that if you have two different "alighnment" choices then they shpuld have different endings. (Granted I hear that the ending of the game was cut and thats why but still)