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Legacy Family Tree... Is This A Joke

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Legacy Family Tree... Is This A Joke

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Wraloa_Craubo
04.18.2012 , 11:35 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Sydth View Post
Thanks

I'm hoping you're only aiming this at the thread starter (Freyrr) and not the rest of us.
I don't think the thingy i pointed out is something to look forward to in future content. But rather something to be fixed in the future. How do I put this? At the moment I can't configure the tree to say that my enemy's brother is my daughter's ally.

it's just the tree im not compaining.

peace, love and burning soap boxes
The comment about keeping things civil was directed at the OP, yes.

I too was having trouble at first. It seems like there might be a bug that keeps a few legacy ties blocked when you try to set them. For example, I could no make my Main's enemy have an ally. After closing/opening the Legacy menu a few times, I was able to get all the options to work, all the time.
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AruthaWolf
04.18.2012 , 11:39 AM | #12
I was about to make my own topic in general or somewhere else just before I found this so I will post what my solutions look like.

Fixing the Clunky and Useless Legacy Family Trees.

I will of course renounce all claim on my ideas in this post because if even one goes through I would be happy :-)

Currently the family tree does about as much as the legendary legacy exp bar did before 1.2 and it gets in the way...
At least let us zoom out because a few of my characters got pushed so far they went out of the window...
I know they tried to make it look like a family tree but aren't there a lot of people out there that would rather have big alliances than great grandfather twi'lek with his son pure blood sith....

Step 1: Fixing the auto placement.
When you place your first character the 8 adjacent slots become active and you can place next characters in one of those then more become slots open for the next. To make connections you drag a link between your already placed characters but only adjacent ones. This lets you control how the set of your characters looks and lets you create loops ie. my friends brother is my enemy.
And lastly let us create custom connections, the only one I really miss is Padawan, but there are many others out there.

Step 2: Sharing it with others.
Let us link our family trees or inspect other peoples family trees so you can share a visual of your alts on the server to friends.

Step 3: Making it feel like the central part of the old republic.
Make the character choice screen a visual of your family tree. This will not do much except be fun for people.

Step 4: Making it Legendary and a feature no star wars fan will forget.
Let us write a biography for our own legacy and put in a button to play a star wars style crawler of your own legacy.

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Sydth
04.18.2012 , 12:37 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Wraloa_Craubo View Post
After closing/opening the Legacy menu a few times, I was able to get all the options to work, all the time.

Oh Really???

BRB!!
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Sydth
04.18.2012 , 12:45 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Wraloa_Craubo View Post
After closing/opening the Legacy menu a few times, I was able to get all the options to work, all the time.
Kay so that doesn't affect 'full circle' relationships.
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Wraloa_Craubo
04.18.2012 , 01:38 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Sydth View Post
Kay so that doesn't affect 'full circle' relationships.

When you say 'Full circle,' what do you mean? Hero-Spouse-Child-Ally-Spouse?

Like, having the children of two married couples be enemies? Something like that?
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Sydth
04.18.2012 , 03:22 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Wraloa_Craubo View Post
When you say 'Full circle,' what do you mean? Hero-Spouse-Child-Ally-Spouse?

Like, having the children of two married couples be enemies? Something like that?
um.... yeah.. i don't know why it's so hard for me to explain it but it is definitely tricky lol


i tried to "draw" it:

Twi'lek Sage < adversary > Sith pureblood Sorcerer
^.......................................^
sibling................................child
v........................................v
Twi'lek BH.........<Ally>.......Sith Smuggler

The Ally relationship marked in RED is what i can't do


or by saying my enemy's brother is my daughter's ally.
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Sydth
04.18.2012 , 03:30 PM | #17
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AbsolutGrndZero
04.19.2012 , 03:23 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by RebelWeasel View Post
OP, your post comes across as if it's nothing more than a selfish rant based on what you want specifically. I feel your pain, and understand the anger, but spewing it like cosmic space monkey poo at random passersby in a forum isn't really helping your case

Let's try to paraphrase what you're trying to get across:

I feel the Legacy System relationships are too limited. There are only 5 options, and many of them are too strict in definition to be suitable for the many many other types of relationships I could have. I'd like to see an ability to custom-name the types of relationships my character has within those 5 options. For instance, re-name a 'spouse' option to be 'mistress' or rename an 'ally' option to be 'student'.

If we had this ability, it woudl help us to have a much broader scope of relationships in our Role Play.


In addition I will add my own comment about the Legacy system:
I am having a hard time connecting my characters together, because it seems like it limits how many of each type of relationship I can have?

For instance, I have a main character with 2 siblings. I wanted to add some allies and enemies to that main character, but those slots are now grayed out and I'm only allowed to add a child or an adopted child. I can't even add a spouse now that I have two siblings.

I'm concerned that the system actually is telling me I can only be related to three other characters at a time. this doesn't make a lot of sense to me, there's tons of people out there in the real world with more than 2 siblings, so I would like to see if they can expand the actual relationship mechanics to allow more connections to a single character without the limitations and graying out on how many I'm "allowed".
Actually RebelWeasel you can do it, yo just have move them all back to the "unaligned" area and start over. For example, like look at my 4 sisters below. When I tried making them all Racquel's sisters, it wouldn't let me... But what I did was..

Racquel sister to Ashley
Ashley sister to Jennica
Jordan sister to Jennica

SO, now all are sisters, yet not all are "hooked" directly to Racquel. Weird, but hey that's how it's programmed, at least for now.

Then, I also have

Usaajjaya is rival to Racquel
Nightbird is child to Racquel (though i want her to be Racquel's daughter, I'm still working on details on why my smuggler has a Sith Warrior daughter lol)

If I wanted more sisters, I couldn't hook any more to Racquel, but I could to Jordan.
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Alyanya
04.20.2012 , 07:44 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Freyrr View Post
Now then I've got my master Jedi here and my... wait... HOW IS THERE NO MASTER APPRENTICE OPTION! Seriously BioWare what the hell were you thinking? We are talking Jedi and Sith here yet you don't give us any kind of master/apprentice option what so ever?
Just my opinion, but I thought this made perfect sense. All the Jedi and Sith classes have the master/apprentice relationship established very early in the story line. How can a Sith have two masters, after all? If your Marauder is going to have Darth Baras as her master, how can she also have some other toon in your legacy as a second master? That seems to make no logical sense to me.

Now I know that some will say, "At least let me use the apprentice option then, since the story doesn't give my <insert class here> an apprentice." To which I say, how can you have another toon as an apprentice without in turn being a master to that toon? If that Marauder toon in your legacy is supposed to be apprentice to your Juggernaut toon, then what is Darth Baras? A really domineering tutor? ;-)

Seriously, though, while I agree in general that more relationship options should be added in future updates, the whole Master/Apprentice thing is something I think should remain in the story line and NOT in the legacy.

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AruthaWolf
04.20.2012 , 06:06 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Alyanya View Post
Just my opinion, but I thought this made perfect sense. All the Jedi and Sith classes have the master/apprentice relationship established very early in the story line. How can a Sith have two masters, after all? If your Marauder is going to have Darth Baras as her master, how can she also have some other toon in your legacy as a second master? That seems to make no logical sense to me.

Now I know that some will say, "At least let me use the apprentice option then, since the story doesn't give my <insert class here> an apprentice." To which I say, how can you have another toon as an apprentice without in turn being a master to that toon? If that Marauder toon in your legacy is supposed to be apprentice to your Juggernaut toon, then what is Darth Baras? A really domineering tutor? ;-)

Seriously, though, while I agree in general that more relationship options should be added in future updates, the whole Master/Apprentice thing is something I think should remain in the story line and NOT in the legacy.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...=386689&page=3
If you wish to read an almost final draft of my preferred legacy you will find it about half way through this thread: The Silverthorn Legacy.

You Have to give some leeway to an MMO game trying to make a story based game, so you either have to ignore the class story or get creative:

My marauder used to be on the council but she had a nonforceusing son which is a disgrace for a sith pure blood.
So they stripped her rank and over 50 years she lost most of her training.
When she was ready to return she found her place had been taken by Darth Baras, so she hid and began from the bottom as an acolyte again always planning to take down Baras.

While on korriban right before the start of the class story the marauder senses the force in the sorcerer who is still a slave and decides to prepare her to be apprentice.
But being stripped of former rank she couldn't have an apprentice, so she tells her to make her own way through the academy but remember who gave her the chance and soon become apprentice.
(even once they are both darths the sorcerer is still considered apprentice)