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Some advice for future game developers

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Some advice for future game developers

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Epini
04.13.2012 , 06:46 PM | #1
As this post seems likely to have no real impact on a game I had hopes for I have addressed it to the future.

I have 2 level 50's War Hero + rank with full BM gear ...PvPd Non-stop since before launch.

I am and always have been a PvP centered player and this game delivers the worst pvp I have ever played in an MMO

This was supposed to be an MMO. Its basically a console game with a fancy interface. There is no massive PvP. Thats good because when there was a little of it the engine could not handle it.

Endless WZs are not at all what i care or have ever cared for in an MMO. That is for Xbox. Not something I care for much either.

When in combat I prefer to actually fight. A mezz here and there that breaks on damage was not something I liked much but it was ok. The mezzfest that is this game is like *** where she pulls you out and gives your d*** a slap every third thr***.

I prefer long fights. The best MMO I ever played for PvP had the occasional solo 1 v 1 that could last several minutes.

This game has some great 15 to 20 second 1 v 1s...whoopie ding.

I prefer open world pvp and objectives. Slowly but surely they have gone about reducing and finally eliminating any incentive for that in the game. Oh sure you can try to organize something on the server..but since server pop has been dwindling the whole pop of the server would not really qualify as a good battle back in the day.

I like getting to know my opponents. Communication can develop great rivalries and long term friends to fight against. Not easily done available in this game. People worry about abusive tells...omgzrs...lol uhm there is an ignore button for the idiots ya know.


Lastly
1.2 is a complete joke when it comes to anything I am interested in for MMOs. Ok not completely..I do like the 2 buffs in one I get now. They even completely took out any reason to go to ilum and fight.

And as to longer fights...nope went the other way... they reduced pvp defense in relation to offense and reduced healing more than that.....so everyone is even faster to kill now...

so much for a good long fight...lucky if you even notice their name b4 its over now.

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SO perhaps I'll continue to log in to hang with my longtime (8+years) guildies and friends...but only if I can stomach and not rant all the time about what an utter complete POS this MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER GAME is when it comes to PvP.

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Devs I cant tell you how completely saddened I am to be posting this rant. It was the last thing I ever hoped to have to say about this game when I was looking forward to it eagerly for 3 years.

Look at my post and reverse engineer it and you will have a recipe for great long term healthy pvp in an MMO.

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vrgadin
04.13.2012 , 06:53 PM | #2
/signed qft

"most games fail these days because they are theme parks. tps have no depth. you play through the story and you are done. though swg had no quests strangely enough in 2-3 years i never had nothing to do. sandboxes are real mmos. "

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DasHillBilly
04.13.2012 , 06:55 PM | #3
Nice post but I think in the future we as customer needs to be more critical before we begin paying a monthly fee. A lot of people unsubbed after patch 1.2, but I think we as customers needs to stop paying before that. A lot of problems with SWOTR has already been adressed for a long time and some things seemed like they were still in beta. Just look at Illum, wasted time to make for the developers and a catastrophy for having world pvp.

People needs to be able to recognize a game when it is not done, and not sub to it.

Then developers know that they cannot throw some half finished junk out on in the stores and just get the monthly payment until the people are too fed up.

As a customer I could wish for some kind of better information channel for each MMO before installing it on my HD. Searching for a MMO and avoid fake praises for a game, from the firm itself, pretending to be a neutral gamer is everywhere. Fanboys are all around us.

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Petrosis
04.13.2012 , 06:58 PM | #4
I'm completely signing this.

Theme park game is ok while you level. But for end-game, theme park drops the ball completely.

Doing dailies, repeatable content, grinding gear!!! is completely against the philosophy of this game. At least according to what devs used to say. They didn't want us to grind, but have fun. Guess what. This is the end-game for me - complete grind.

I have 2 Battlemasters myself and many other alts.

I wished this game had 2-3 end-game planets, with no exhaustion zones. Few not-protected starports. Areas to place buildings, housing, bases, labs ... or whatever. Something that gives us the feeling that it is worth defending and fighting for.

I want to GEAR UP to PvP, and not PvP in order to GEAR UP (and fight in small WZ areas with 8v8).

Open World PvP seems even more distant now. And I'm starting to think that I should cancel my 3 accounts, and move on to GW2 or something with better PvP in it.

I was waiting for this game for 3 years. I didn't want to be disappointed. But I can't fool myself anymore.

Petro Leum, <KTD>, PR Officer, Warriors of the Shadow server, US west
The Wrong Cantina
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Epini
04.13.2012 , 07:01 PM | #5
Well said Das.. and yes I kinda knew all this in beta..I subbed and crossed my fingers that improvements would come...my guild had committed to doing this a couple years before launch. The one thing this game did was bring us all back together for another run. That has been worth the money to me.

But sadly it's pretty much the worst pvp game I have ever played.

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DasHillBilly
04.13.2012 , 07:07 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Epini View Post

But sadly it's pretty much the worst pvp game I have ever played.
Sadly I have to sign this statement from you.

It had the potential to be really good though...

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Petrosis
04.13.2012 , 07:08 PM | #7
I bet there will be even more posts from this kind from the PvP community after this patch. And I'm not happy about my own statement. I wish the game lived up to its potential.

Petro Leum, <KTD>, PR Officer, Warriors of the Shadow server, US west
The Wrong Cantina
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cormeacru
04.13.2012 , 07:13 PM | #8
You make a big flashy point about it being a "MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE" game, then fill your post with the words 'I LIKE" over and over and over. Your advice to future game developers is then, "build only what I like"? Perhaps you dont actually understand the term "Massively Multiplayer?

If you arent happy with a game that is 4 months old, and you dont have the patience to see how the Dev's make changes in the coming months and years, shut up and take a hike. No ones forcing you to stay here. Devleoping patches and changes takes time, so stop being so melodramatic. There are plenty of games out there that have years of devleopment under their belts, and none of them started out perfect. Be patient, or head back to one of those. Reading posts like this is like having a direct link to an overly eloquent 6 year olds ego-driven mind. All "me, me, me" and no patience.

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hrvojes
04.13.2012 , 07:21 PM | #9
Thing is, he's not only saying the PvP in this game is bollocks now, he's saying it's gonna stay like that forever. Not because they need more time, but because they have the completely wrong attitude towards it. And you know what... He's absolutely right.

He's allowed to state his own opinion, and every person except you has agreed with him so far. So that doesn't make it a "ME ME ME" thread anymore, it makes it a "WE WE WE" thread.

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Petrosis
04.13.2012 , 07:24 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by cormeacru View Post
You make a big flashy point about it being a "MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE" game, then fill your post with the words 'I LIKE" over and over and over. Your advice to future game developers is then, "build only what I like"? Perhaps you dont actually understand the term "Massively Multiplayer?

If you arent happy with a game that is 4 months old, and you dont have the patience to see how the Dev's make changes in the coming months and years, shut up and take a hike. No ones forcing you to stay here. Devleoping patches and changes takes time, so stop being so melodramatic. There are plenty of games out there that have years of devleopment under their belts, and none of them started out perfect. Be patient, or head back to one of those. Reading posts like this is like having a direct link to an overly eloquent 6 year olds ego-driven mind. All "me, me, me" and no patience.
First of all - that is the point of a game - people to like it. It is not a bad thing to wish that.

Second, are you suggesting that when something is wrong with the game, we just shut up and not point to the problems? Do you think that will help to improve the game?

PvErs have FPs, HM FPs and Ops
PvPrs have WZ, no ranked WZ, and no Open World PvP

You can see the comparison yourself.

Force all the PvE folks to play only 4 flashpoints in Story Mode, remove Hardmodes and make Ops not available. Then you'll see an outcry. Why PvPers shouldn't complain?

Petro Leum, <KTD>, PR Officer, Warriors of the Shadow server, US west
The Wrong Cantina
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