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Step back and look at the potential cost to EA/BW for them giving the free 30 days

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Step back and look at the potential cost to EA/BW for them giving the free 30 days

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terminova
04.13.2012 , 10:54 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by lollermittens View Post
You people need to take a class in accounting and a course in elementary micro-economics to accurately analyze how BW could provide such a promotion at the potential scenario of losing millions of dollars of subscribers money.

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TL;DR: this is an exercise in futility. Your method to multiply X numbers of subscribers with the monthly cost of $14.99 is not valid. Too many factors must be taken into consideration to accurately estimate BW/EA's cost of providing a free month of play time.
It's easy: they don't need your money to keep the servers running for a month. They want your monthly sub fee....to develop and work on new content for the game as well as bug fixes faster.
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ConradLionhart
04.13.2012 , 10:54 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by sharpenedstick View Post
Fanbois never cease to amaze me. You think Bioware is giving out time because they're just a bunch of great people?

Bioware and EA are large companies. The only reason large companies do anything is to make money. Someone at Bioware/EA has crunched the numbers and guessed that they will make more money by retaining players upset with the pvp changes and otherwise wavering than they will lose from the free month.

It's the same reason they are giving out time to cancelled accounts. It's not charity, it's just a stunt to try and hook people.

It works out great for those of us who were planning on playing anyway, because we get free time. But don't kid yourself as to why this is happening.
Well they could do something nefarious by forcing us to be signed up to a 1 year subscription plan before they give us a free game and a nice shiny mount.

Here Bioware just gave us free game time, no strings attached, just that you gotta be level 50 and legacy level 6. And in case you haven't heard, 1 day after the uproar on the forums by people who didn't have a level 50 and thus weren't eligible for free 30 days, the devs discussed it and decided to give anyone with a legacy level 6 free 30 days as well.

And if that's not good enough, other people have a chance to get the free 30 days if they can get to 50 or legacy level 6 by 22nd April.

So yeah, obviously listening to feedback, caring about other people who feel left out and implementing a change just 1 day, are just shady devious methods by Bioware to keep people playing.

Ensuring that people keep playing by giving them good service, creating a quality game, showing appreciation, listening to feedback and free 30 days? Yes how evil can a company get?

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ConradLionhart
04.13.2012 , 10:56 PM | #73
To put it into context, take note, people are complaining about being given free 30 days in this thread.

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andrelle
04.13.2012 , 10:57 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Starglide View Post
You think they did that just to be nice?

Its a marketing ploy hoping that a percentage of the people that already unsubscribed come back based on trying fail.2.

I am not even bothering to try it, but they must have some good predicted percentages for them to invest that much money.


Honestly, I will probably get flamed, but the free month just makes them look desperate.

How long before its completely F2P?
I give it Feb 2013. That is the F2P date. With the subs falling off, they won't make their year-end Plan. There will be a discussion about how much revenue they could make with F2P cash shop, and "play your way" subscription options.

I feel the same. The free month and baby tauntaun is a plea for subs to stick around. Its pathetic, and if they were doing so well, as Ohlen stated, they wouldn't need to do this.

It's complete fail. There's enough mmos coming out in the coming months that this truly won't matter for much longer.

EA's made their money. Now they have BF3 expansions to concentrate on.

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TonyIommi
04.14.2012 , 02:06 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by andrelle View Post
I give it Feb 2013. That is the F2P date. With the subs falling off, they won't make their year-end Plan. There will be a discussion about how much revenue they could make with F2P cash shop, and "play your way" subscription options.

I feel the same. The free month and baby tauntaun is a plea for subs to stick around. Its pathetic, and if they were doing so well, as Ohlen stated, they wouldn't need to do this.

It's complete fail. There's enough mmos coming out in the coming months that this truly won't matter for much longer.

EA's made their money. Now they have BF3 expansions to concentrate on.
It should be noted that blizzard also gave out free time in vanilla wow. We both know how that turned out.

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terminova
04.14.2012 , 02:26 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
It should be noted that blizzard also gave out free time in vanilla wow. We both know how that turned out.
How did that turn out? I stopped playing after Cataclysm came out...
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TonyIommi
04.14.2012 , 02:28 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
How did that turn out? I stopped playing after Cataclysm came out...
I hear in some parts it's a really popular game now.

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Kalfear
04.14.2012 , 02:41 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Kadin View Post
Obviously none of us know how many current subs were active as of yesterday at 12PM CT and will make the cutoff by the 22nd get in on the promo. How many would you guess? 300k? 500k? more? less?

The point is even if you take a very low number like say 200k and multiply that by $14.99, you come up with just shy of $3 Million. Big company or not, that's a large chunk of cash. The fact that they're willing to essentially write that off in a month (or later due to some people paying multiple months), is a big deal.

To each of us it's not large but certainly a large impact on their bottom line and it would be nice to think of it when people scoff at what they consider a paltry offer...
not a stock holder

honestly do not care what it costs any company to do something right and correct!

and thats not just Bioware

I hold all companies I pay for their service to the same HIGH standards.

After all, I cant just with hold payments until they do what I like can I (well continue playing well with holding payments).

So when they screw up, they pay and they can argue with stock holders and investors about what it costs.

And unless you are a stock holder, you also shouldnt care what it costs Bioware/EA

They are not going to send you dividends at the end of the quarter as you tried to play investment agent for them on message forums.
In regards to lessening F2P and Preferred restrictions
In GAMING, as in LIFE,
You get what you pay for
No game restriction is so dire that $15.00/month will not eliminate it

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corbanite
04.14.2012 , 02:45 AM | #79
OMG this is terrible..

Bioware you need to make an option so that people can cancel there 30 free days you gave them lest they be brain washed into subbing for swtor.

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sharpenedstick
04.14.2012 , 04:49 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Well they could do something nefarious by forcing us to be signed up to a 1 year subscription plan before they give us a free game and a nice shiny mount.

Here Bioware just gave us free game time, no strings attached, just that you gotta be level 50 and legacy level 6. And in case you haven't heard, 1 day after the uproar on the forums by people who didn't have a level 50 and thus weren't eligible for free 30 days, the devs discussed it and decided to give anyone with a legacy level 6 free 30 days as well.

And if that's not good enough, other people have a chance to get the free 30 days if they can get to 50 or legacy level 6 by 22nd April.

So yeah, obviously listening to feedback, caring about other people who feel left out and implementing a change just 1 day, are just shady devious methods by Bioware to keep people playing.

Ensuring that people keep playing by giving them good service, creating a quality game, showing appreciation, listening to feedback and free 30 days? Yes how evil can a company get?
Again, typical fanboi propaganda. I never said they were nefarious. I said they are a for-profit enterprise, and the things they do are motivated in increase their bottom line. If you think they are offering game time because they are just nice guys, you need to cut back on the Bioware Kool-Aid. If it were really just about the players, they could give the free month to everyone with a sub, with no level cap.

If they only care about being nice, why do they charge money at all? In fact, Bioware and EA are big companies. They should pay me to play. Wouldn't it be nicer if Bioware paid us to play?

Let's get real here. They believe they will ultimately make more money from converting cancellees into retainees. I like that confidence. It means they believe their new features are enticing and polished enough to lure people to stay, and that is good for the game.

I appreciate the free month. But I am also under no illusions as to why they did it. You shouldn't be either. Or, if you are, I have a lovely ocean front property in Kansas for you.