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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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Girltank
04.18.2012 , 01:57 PM | #681
Quote: Originally Posted by Aehgo View Post
Its unfair because healers shouldn't be able to tank a dps for half a game.Dps should be heavier then heals because it got to the stage ((Pre 1.2)) when you would be able to kill a fully geared tank solo in half the time it takes to kill a healer.Healing just takes more skill now and less 3 button spam.
if tanks ever did enough damage to solo a healer nobody would ever play a healer lol.

If it is unfair that a dps can't kill a healer solo I challenge you to consider how unfair it is that a healer cannot kill a dps solo especially when the healer is destined to be the attention of any dps that has the common sense to watch for them.

additionally consider: if healing does not do more than a single dps does, then it is less effective to stall one dps's damage than to simply provide DPS against said DPS, so that the opposing dps cannot DPS as much.

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Khoraji
04.18.2012 , 01:58 PM | #682
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreydin View Post
This alone proves you dont have a clue. So, with my 1158 expertise. Your telling me that my 22% damage increase, and 18% reduction are equal? Do think time to kill isnt affected? And several other relating factors arent also playing into your silly ideas? Everything just balances out to zero? Aside from a bonus to healers?

Expertise changes in the patch only serve to widen the gap, and create disparity between healing and damage. You should stop trying to enlighten people with misinformation...
This only proves you cant do basic math. Lets take a look at the whole picture.

Pre 1.2 expertise had a 1-1-1 ratio. So lets say for the sake of easy math that we are at 10%

Step 1: "Player 1" does 1000 dmg to player "Player 2"
Step 2: Factor in "Player 1"'s 10% dmg bonus. So now "Player 1" does 1100 dmg to "Player 2"
Step 3: Factor in "Player 2"'s 10% dmg mitigation. So now "Player 1" does 990 dmg to "Player 2"
That is a total of negative 1% to DPS due to expertise using pre 1.2 numbers.

Now for 1.2, you are saying DPS got a huge bonus right? Assuming full BM gear you are at about this:
22% bonus dmg
18% dmg mitigation
12% healing

Same scenario as above:
Step 1: "Player 1" does 1000 dmg to player "Player 2"
Step 2: Factor in "Player 1"'s 22% dmg bonus. So now "Player 1" does 1220 dmg to "Player 2"
Step 3: Factor in "Player 2"'s 18% dmg mitigation. So now "Player 1" does 1000 dmg to "Player 2"

WOW, a wopping 0 percent increase to dmg

So comparing pre 1.2 and 1.2 numbers. DPS got a 1% increase to DPS.

So if the average DPSer gets 300k dmg per game, they are now getting 303k dmg per game... ZOMG THE GAME IS BROKEN!!!!

Oh, and healing is still at +12%...much higher than 0% IMO

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Dreydin
04.18.2012 , 02:03 PM | #683
You DPS can spout your crap all you like. But in the end, you will be fighting a 8v8 dps match. Cause any sane healer isn't going to pay a sub for this crap. I dont play a support role to be a useless team member. I play a support role so I can effectively keep people alive. When everything dies in 4 seconds, and myself in 2, something has to give. And for me, it was my subscription.

The best thing of all in this, is now I know which guildies are coming to GW2 with me. Because anyone defending this mess, I dislike, and they can stay here where they belong. So, I can at least use Biowares patch as an idiot filtering tool. So thanks for that Bioware.

Again, PVE is fine, it improved. PVP is not better, its far far worse.
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Khoraji
04.18.2012 , 02:04 PM | #684
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreydin View Post
You DPS can spout your crap all you like. But in the end, you will be fighting a 8v8 dps match. Cause any sane healer isn't going to pay a sub for this crap. I dont play a support role to be a useless team member. I play a support role so I can effectively keep people alive. When everything dies in 4 seconds, and myself in 2, something has to give. And for me, it was my subscription.

The best thing of all in this, is now I know which guildies are coming to GW2 with me. Because anyone defending this mess, I dislike, and they can stay here where they belong. So, I can at least use Biowares patch as an idiot filtering tool. So thanks for that Bioware.

Again, PVE is fine, it improved. PVP is not better, its far far worse.
u mad because you just got owned?

If you are going to unsub because you suck at healing (and apparently math too), that is ok. But dont pretend like it is BW's fault.

EDIT: BTW i am a healer, i have said this over and over again.

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Dreydin
04.18.2012 , 02:11 PM | #685
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoraji View Post
u mad because you just got owned?

If you are going to unsub because you suck at healing (and apparently math too), that is ok. But dont pretend like it is BW's fault.

EDIT: BTW i am a healer, i have said this over and over again.
Please refer to my new post about your numbers
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MrXen
04.18.2012 , 02:12 PM | #686
Quote: Originally Posted by Lindraskada View Post
oh dear. i smell someone who likes to smash his face into his keyboard while playing whatever FOTM reroll is "in" this week and tell everyone how much he rocks

does it not strike you as odd, that when a class or 2 is broken, people name them ? and yet then entire game mechanic is being discussed here ? so everyone playing a healing commando/merc/sage/sorc/agent/smuggler are just whining because they feel like it ?

i really really hope the pendulum swings the other way, and this happens to DPS, and when it does, someone can come in to these posts, and pick the cream of the replies, and just post them one after another at all you lot who will be crying about how tragic your life is
I rolled merc initially, played healer, it was overpowered and I could easily handle 3-4 dps at lvl 30, got bored, required no skill and was not fun. I then switched to assassin (deception spec) because I thought it looked cool and I liked it, then you forum warriors claimed my class was FOTM overpowered so I bit the bait and rolled an operative (according to forum warriors the most gimped class in dps). I played dps operative and I top damage charts on my team, top killing blows on my team, and retain 10+ medals almost every match (I AM out played from time to time but mostly I perform better than most).


^ Now that was in response to you claiming I only roll FOTM, a term used by idiots in attempt to discredit valid claims (similar to crooked lawyers).


After looking at forums in general I can see 90% of the people who come here come to complain and/or whine about something (naturally). So you "claiming" that "everyone" playing a healer spec/class is being legit about their claims means nothing to me considering bioware itself has been quoted for saying healing is too powerful along with all the mathematical evidence provided (and that i'm about to provide again for you since I know you are special).


Now to refer to the red highlight in your post, you "hope the pendulum swings the other way to DPS" except you fail to realize that DPS has been gimped since day 1 of expertise.


Math pre 1.2:

1000 damage * 1.13 (for a 13% expertise) = 1130 damage

1130 incoming damage is now reduced by 13% mitigation --> 1130 - (1130*0.13) = 983.1 damage.


Quit being dumb and bad. Healers are STILL laughing in the face of dps, as a DPS (0-31-10) operative with 0 points in healing I can out heal a tank's dps in combat and laugh. It is so easy and needs fixed.

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Dreydin
04.18.2012 , 02:14 PM | #687
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoraji View Post
u mad because you just got owned?

If you are going to unsub because you suck at healing (and apparently math too), that is ok. But dont pretend like it is BW's fault.

EDIT: BTW i am a healer, i have said this over and over again.
And I dont feel owned at all. I feel more correct then ever. I wonder why a person like yourself even needs a UI. Cant you just have matrix like number battles and leave us alone?
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Khoraji
04.18.2012 , 02:16 PM | #688
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreydin View Post
I see here, theory craft, theory craft, theory craft. Have you tried using your eyes in game? I could care less what your precious numbers add up too. The end result is, people are dying WAY faster now as whole. So carry on, with your geeky number add ups. I am sure your formula will appease everyone, and they will just start having fun cause of your equation.

The same people like yourself that follow the whitepaper results and take them as gold, are the same nubs that cant figure out why I trash them on damage/healing charts.
So the guy that starts posting numbers wants to take his toys and go home when he realizes he is completely wrong.

Numbers dont lie. And I do use my eyes, I started off in this thread saying healing is fine because of my own personal experience suggests that nothing is wrong with it. If I can heal fine, my guild mates can heal fine, but you cant...where do you think the problem is?

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Khoraji
04.18.2012 , 02:17 PM | #689
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreydin View Post
And I dont feel owned at all. I feel more correct then ever. I wonder why a person like yourself even needs a UI. Cant you just have matrix like number battles and leave us alone?
lol, I am no number cruncher. Percentages are easily done. It is no ones fault but your own if you skipped 3rd grade math. Didnt you and your other terribad healer friend bring up expertise percentages in the first place anyway?

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MrXen
04.18.2012 , 02:21 PM | #690
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreydin View Post
I see here, theory craft, theory craft, theory craft. Have you tried using your eyes in game? I could care less what your precious numbers add up too. The end result is, people are dying WAY faster now as whole. So carry on, with your geeky number add ups. I am sure your formula will appease everyone, and they will just start having fun cause of your equation.

The same people like yourself that follow the whitepaper results and take them as gold, are the same nubs that cant figure out why I trash them on damage/healing charts.

This is why everyone with a brain knows you are wrong. Geeky number add ups? Lol? Its 3rd grade math literally. Geeky? Are you a 1980's "jock" playing a star wars MMO now "pwning" those "nub geeks"?


There is no theory here, there is no equation, Bioware PROVIDES these numbers, LOOK at your expertise %'s right now in-game and determine their effective result. Guarantee it'll be what I said. Why? Because there is no magic equation, its listed in your character details you incoherent ape.


And from your anecdotal "evidence" of "how you feel in game" my experience is people are dying at fairly the same rate. The fact you attempt to insult me for providing evidence whereas you tell everyone to "believe me because how I feel in-game is truth" is in all honesty giving me a good laugh in my comfy chair here. Thank you, you have boosted my self-esteem today and I feel much better now that I know: at LEAST I'm not you.