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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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A Healer's 1.2 Grievances: The story of why healers are upset

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pathiss
04.16.2012 , 01:32 PM | #551
Quote: Originally Posted by ChaosLenny View Post

DPS is easy living if you ask me you can jump in a battleground and actually play rather than worry about keeping your team alive.
DPS is vastly easier than playing a support toon, I agree. I would think that would be a general opinion of people that play competitively at both in any mmo. There is reason that good support players are the backbone of competitive play.

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Altaira
04.16.2012 , 01:35 PM | #552
Quote: Originally Posted by Balmuck View Post
I didn't destroy anything. It's the undeserving healers, standing around, pressing 4 buttons, making fights into a bore fest.. they're the ones that destroy this game.

I think that if you heal, you should automatically get your comms and warzone rewards cut in half. It's not like they're DPS'ing and killing people and decided the outcome of a fight. They just stand there, being useless and all.

Also, they should tweek Maras/Juggies/Melee Operatives just a tad bit more to allow them more mobility during fights. My Mara would really appreciate if those healers would just stay in one place so I can beat them over the head with my glow sticks. It's not like running away is going to change anything, they still gonna die, might as well speed up the process.
Haha, you a funnay guy. You are so witty, you instigator you! You remind me of explosive diarrhea. You make a lot of offensive noises and everything that comes out belongs in the toilet. I bet your hate for healers stems from problems like you being 'out of LOS' when you need healing. I know I'd take a team loss just to see you bite the dust.
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Balmuck
04.16.2012 , 01:43 PM | #553
Quote: Originally Posted by Altaira View Post
Haha, you a funnay guy. You are so witty, you instigator you! You remind me of explosive diarrhea. You make a lot of offensive noises and everything that comes out belongs in the toilet. I bet your hate for healers stems from problems like you being 'out of LOS' when you need healing. I know I'd take a team loss just to see you bite the dust.
Is that like a food?
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RStoney
04.16.2012 , 04:24 PM | #554
Quote: Originally Posted by ChaosLenny View Post
Can healers heal post 1.2...yes. Is it fun..NO!

I think that's what healers are pissed at. One if you think it takes no skill to heal you've never healed, it's not a button spam it's about resources, finding LOS, avoiding the wave of death as soon as folks find out your healer. DPS is easy living if you ask me you can jump in a battleground and actually play rather than worry about keeping your team alive.

This brings me to my point. Healers got a major nerf and then the medal system. A good healer is not trying to capture objectives as a rule, he/she is moving with there team and keeping them alive. If I try to grab kills, objectives most times it's a choice between keeping folks alive or that. In my opinion it discourages healers from doing there job. An example last night I came into a game a late I got two medals and nothing for it...what I think is a joke is this was a pug and I still pulled 3 MVP votes. Three random people thought I did a good job but biowares medal system not so much. As a player it gets old seeing dps pull 15 medals and me do ten.

What has this done?...now I go in focused on medals rather than HEALING. That's not a good thing, not at all. Do I go for the win in a losing game and throw solid heals or say screw it so I can get an extra medal. Winning game where I still lose or lose and get a few comms..this is not a cool decision, doesn't come up that much but when it does...

My point with this healing is still doable but it's not fun anymore. Stressing about medals isn't fun...at all. Being a punching bad even less fun.

Played the healer role - and just accepted I would not top out the leaderboard EVER. I was okay with that. Like you - when I hustled, and dished out the healing, I would gather the MVP votes from appreciative DPS/tanks who got all the medals. I was perfectly fine with that. Welcome to life of a healer.

Post 1.2 - not only do I have a billboard over my head announcing what I do (making me easy to pick out, as if anyone with half a brain couldn't have figured it out previously) I basically can count on using TWO heals whenever needed. Everything else is interrupted, or I am perma-stunned. That is - until I die, which is one or two swings and I am back at the respawn.

As mentioned earlier - stick a fork in this one for me. *sigh* Sad, as I did enjoy the pre-1.2 PvP.

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Echoo
04.16.2012 , 04:41 PM | #555
Healing is broken. We know. Its sad. I wonder if switching around expertise would fix the issue. Probably not.
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WaywardOne
04.16.2012 , 05:50 PM | #556
Who comes to a star wars game to play the guy with the healing gun? Where's the in-combat healing in any of the original movies, tv shows, novels, comic books or trailers for this game? It is my belief that most (definitely not all - there are no absolutes, but most) healers just picked the class because they like to be OP. They just lost that "completely OP" status and so of course they are going to whine. I couldn't care less.

In my experience with 1.2 (as a wh guardian and bm sentinel and a mid-level healer), healing is fine right now. If a healer has two DPS on him he will survive longer than any other class can in a 2v1 (unless he's stunned the whole time which not every class combo can do while dpsing). And healers still -need- to be targetted first if you want to win a fight or objective where one (or more) is present. Is that right? Arguably not - it's a dynamic carried over from other MMOs and it is getting very old there - but that's firmly how it is. Healers are still the most important characters on the battleground. Since 1.2, I've won games without healers vs teams with 3+ healers but guess which side had low damage, high deaths, low kills? And guess which side got outplayed (in every one of those games)?

1v1, dps vs healer, it can go either way if the healer knows how to mix damage into his rotation.

The part where healers are nerfed by 30% in pvp is because healers are built around negating boss damage to an entire party (or raid). If they kept that rate in pvp we would need dps doing boss-level damage.

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Safgril
04.16.2012 , 06:00 PM | #557
Quote: Originally Posted by WaywardOne View Post
Who comes to a star wars game to play the guy with the healing gun? Where's the in-combat healing in any of the original movies, tv shows, novels, comic books or trailers for this game? It is my belief that most (definitely not all - there are no absolutes, but most) healers just picked the class because they like to be OP. They just lost that "completely OP" status and so of course they are going to whine. I couldn't care less.

In my experience with 1.2 (as a wh guardian and bm sentinel and a mid-level healer), healing is fine right now. If a healer has two DPS on him he will survive longer than any other class can in a 2v1 (unless he's stunned the whole time which not every class combo can do while dpsing). And healers still -need- to be targetted first if you want to win a fight or objective where one (or more) is present. Is that right? Arguably not - it's a dynamic carried over from other MMOs and it is getting very old there - but that's firmly how it is. Healers are still the most important characters on the battleground. Since 1.2, I've won games without healers vs teams with 3+ healers but guess which side had low damage, high deaths, low kills? And guess which side got outplayed (in every one of those games)?

1v1, dps vs healer, it can go either way if the healer knows how to mix damage into his rotation.

The part where healers are nerfed by 30% in pvp is because healers are built around negating boss damage to an entire party (or raid). If they kept that rate in pvp we would need dps doing boss-level damage.
mid level healer? LOL

dude playing in the 10-49 wz is way different then the 50 wz...
how about this... finish leveling up your sage healer or sorc healer....let me know how he does in the 50 wz....

if you dont have a maurader or assassin on you all the time then the team you are playing sucks or know you are a crappy healer anyway.

if you think you can survive against 2 dpsers which are usually a maurader or assassin... then you are god man... you should be put on the pedestal...but i will bet my years salary you would not fair well against 2 dpsers like a maurader and assassin...

good luck trying to get 1 heal off...

i already know your experience as playing a healer is horse blinded... you are only talking about a healer from a dpser perspective.

a dpser will always think its easy to play a healer. but yet never plays one...

however as a healer.. i also have a BM geared dpser... i have played both... and know how both sides of the token work.

however are you sure you do? my bet is you dont because you dont even have a 50 healer

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Safgril
04.16.2012 , 06:11 PM | #558
Quote: Originally Posted by Khoraji View Post
Healers get Objective medals just as easily. A good healer will protect the objective rather than follow an idiot that runs away from them just to keep him alive. Healers should always get alot of defender medals.
if you are sitting at a node not healing your teammates while they are trying to get another.. you are NOT doing your job...

you are farming for medals then...

sorry i have gotten well over 200k healing and gotten only 2 medals...you only get 2 medals for doing your job.

so now medals are not easily to get. Sad that they changed it to getting medals to get anything. What a horrible idea.

you have done nothing but defend 1.2 on the forums claiming to be the god of pvp yet are you actually playing the game? You must always be on teh winning side in order to have this kind of attitude.

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WaywardOne
04.16.2012 , 10:08 PM | #559
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mid level healer? LOL

dude playing in the 10-49 wz is way different then the 50 wz...
how about this... finish leveling up your sage healer or sorc healer....let me know how he does in the 50 wz....

if you dont have a maurader or assassin on you all the time then the team you are playing sucks or know you are a crappy healer anyway.

if you think you can survive against 2 dpsers which are usually a maurader or assassin... then you are god man... you should be put on the pedestal...but i will bet my years salary you would not fair well against 2 dpsers like a maurader and assassin...

good luck trying to get 1 heal off...

i already know your experience as playing a healer is horse blinded... you are only talking about a healer from a dpser perspective.

a dpser will always think its easy to play a healer. but yet never plays one...

however as a healer.. i also have a BM geared dpser... i have played both... and know how both sides of the token work.

however are you sure you do? my bet is you dont because you dont even have a 50 healer
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1) I never said I was an expert healer.
2) I don't need more than 2 level 50 bm+ characters to know exactly how the level 50 game works. I don't need to have a level 50 healer to have an educated, informed opinion about how healing works in this game (and many, many others - it's not that different than Wow, for example, where I've played a priest, druid and paladin to at least 80).
3) I have 0 interest in playing a healer - I only did it to figure out how to beat one. It has nothing to do with ease/difficulty - see my first paragraph.
4) Healers, right now, make a very large difference in any wz (@50). I've been in WZs without them on my team and it hurts. I know several good healers on my side on my server.
5) If you play a healer yes, you're going to get attacked by good players as much as possible. If you weren't so important to your team you wouldn't be. Half of winning right now is marking enemy healers (same as pre 1.2). If they are part of a team of cc'ers and/or have tanks with them it can be next to impossible to kill them with a team of just melee dps. Come to Ven Zallow if you need to see how it's done every night.

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Lindraskada
04.17.2012 , 05:36 PM | #560
aah it never changes does it, DPS mouth breathers thinking they should be able to win all the time. "healers getting killed ? LOL get a tank"... oh so we need a pair of players to be effective ? and yet you whine when we tell you to get someone to assist you to kill a healer ? .... never seen that argument before

as a total aside, and sorry if this has been mentioned before, i dont have time to read all 57+ pages, but..


would it help at all if marking went away when you died ? rather than persisting on people through a WZ? i havent done much since the patch, for many reasons previously mentioned to dont know if its still true, but it was often the case that if you were tagged, you were being molested pretty much coming out of the gate on a respawn