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The Bounty Hunterís Guide to PFT: An Advanced Prototype Special

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The Bounty Hunterís Guide to PFT: An Advanced Prototype Special

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TheOpf
04.13.2012 , 02:31 PM | #31
Servers are still down, and I still haven't been able to test the NORS Rotation vs the RS rotation. Granted I don't have a practice dummy so my practice comes when I find an elite and let Blizz tank him currently.


Anyone have any numbers yet from a Parser as to what the either build is doing?
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
Anam Ithieor- 50 AP Powertech
Anbas Ithieor- 20 Operative (lethality/healer)

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BobaFaceroll
04.13.2012 , 02:41 PM | #32
The servers are back up.

There's L50 and L50+ training dummies on the fleet; check the Gav Daragon/Zios Shadow as faction permits.

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TheOpf
04.13.2012 , 03:13 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by BobaFaceroll View Post
The servers are back up.

There's L50 and L50+ training dummies on the fleet; check the Gav Daragon/Zios Shadow as faction permits.
I am at work though haha, and leaving later to go to Monterey with the girlfriend so may not be able to do anything until I get back.

I will at least try to find them.

Thanks for the update.
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
Anam Ithieor- 50 AP Powertech
Anbas Ithieor- 20 Operative (lethality/healer)

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TheOpf
04.13.2012 , 03:46 PM | #34
04/13/12 - Updated some suggestions and added the NORSE name to the No rail shot builds.
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
Anam Ithieor- 50 AP Powertech
Anbas Ithieor- 20 Operative (lethality/healer)

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Karandor
04.13.2012 , 04:38 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by TheOpf View Post
Servers are still down, and I still haven't been able to test the NORS Rotation vs the RS rotation. Granted I don't have a practice dummy so my practice comes when I find an elite and let Blizz tank him currently.


Anyone have any numbers yet from a Parser as to what the either build is doing?
Tried both builds on PvP dummy with full battlemaster combat tech gear and I had around 1100-1200 DPS for both builds. I included 9% aim in both builds for a better comparison and they were dead even (dropped the DR when stunned on RS build).

The problem with RS builds is after a few rotations it becomes difficult to have the ammo to use PFT/PG every 12s. The DPS for RS builds dropped faster from ammo issues than a NORS build because you don't have the ammo to both keep up PG/PFT stacks AND use gut and RS.

NORS build IMO is superior because it allows you to have those 5 stacks 24/7. The one thing RS may be good for is burst. Build 5 stacks, Gut/RB, PFT/PG, immo/FP, SS/RP, HiB/RS would be slightly better burst.

EDIT: I was fully buffed for all tests

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TheOpf
04.13.2012 , 04:48 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Karandor View Post
Tried both builds on PvP dummy with full battlemaster combat tech gear and I had around 1100-1200 DPS for both builds. I included 9% aim in both builds for a better comparison and they were dead even (dropped the DR when stunned on RS build).

The problem with RS builds is after a few rotations it becomes difficult to have the ammo to use PFT/PG every 12s. The DPS for RS builds dropped faster from ammo issues than a NORS build because you don't have the ammo to both keep up PG/PFT stacks AND use gut and RS.

NORS build IMO is superior because it allows you to have those 5 stacks 24/7. The one thing RS may be good for is burst. Build 5 stacks, Gut/RB, PFT/PG, immo/FP, SS/RP, HiB/RS would be slightly better burst.

EDIT: I was fully buffed for all tests
I figured it would start causing delays around rotation 3 with the RS builds.

The good thing about the Norse rotation is it's much easier to follow the 12 second rule with some leeway to weave without having heat issues.

Just a few questions.

How long were your tests?

Did you use Explosive Fuel on and CD's on PFT?

At what point did you find you had to start managing heat during the rotation?

Did you have to use Rapid Shots at any point, if so at which juncture?

Where did you use your free RP?
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
Anam Ithieor- 50 AP Powertech
Anbas Ithieor- 20 Operative (lethality/healer)

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KillaDeuce
04.13.2012 , 06:48 PM | #37
I may have missed it and this may be a newbie question. I am a fresh 50 PT. What PvP set would be best for these builds? (ie. NO-RS E build, hehe)

edit: nvm got the answer Combat Techie.

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Karandor
04.13.2012 , 10:18 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by TheOpf View Post
I figured it would start causing delays around rotation 3 with the RS builds.

The good thing about the Norse rotation is it's much easier to follow the 12 second rule with some leeway to weave without having heat issues.

Just a few questions.

How long were your tests?

Did you use Explosive Fuel on and CD's on PFT?

At what point did you find you had to start managing heat during the rotation?

Did you have to use Rapid Shots at any point, if so at which juncture?

Where did you use your free RP?
Used my Free RP whenever I was missing 3+ ammo, all CDs used properly for ammo regen and conservation.


Tests went about 10 rotations of maxing DPS without trying to keep ammo high. Basically a PvP situation. A NORS build would pull farther ahead when trying to keep ammo high since you could easily use the extra space in the 12 second rule for hammer shots/rapid shots. Where as you need to keep Gut/RB going to use RS/HiB.

RB/Gut and RS/HiB are a complete waste now IMO. They do nothing but hinder PFT/PG stacking once your ammo is low in a long fight.

The only way RS/HiB will be able to be a proper fit in AP/Tactics is that they refesh the Gut/RB DoT and slow. The 2 ammo need to get the DoT to use HiB was painful once you get past 3-4 rotations where you're really going all out. Had I done longer tests the RS build would have basically ended up having the same rotation and the NORS build with low ammo.

From playing around with both builds today I have to say the NORS build seems to be the way to go. In any prolonged fight it wins due to better stacking of PFT and the fact you get to spend 8 points on other stuff.


Also make sure to use explosive surge (not sure what BH AE is called) to get stacks before a fight/keep stacks after a fight. You can run into a fight with 5 stacks blow relic/adrenal/battle awareness and just gib someone before the fight even starts.

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TheOpf
04.14.2012 , 09:22 PM | #39
Hey guys, still in Monterey, has anyone got any numbers on the RS build yet? I think when I get back I am going to do a 5 minute rotation, and find out how many times I need to weave Rapid shots. Has anyone else found themselves using FB while waiting on PFT?
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
Anam Ithieor- 50 AP Powertech
Anbas Ithieor- 20 Operative (lethality/healer)

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GetRectified
04.15.2012 , 11:30 PM | #40
What cell are you using for the NORSE build?