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The Bounty Hunterís Guide to PFT: An Advanced Prototype Special

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The Bounty Hunterís Guide to PFT: An Advanced Prototype Special

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TheOpf
06.29.2012 , 01:49 PM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by Steele_dk View Post
Aswell, thank you for a great read, there was a few things i learned here and a few things i am happy to know i have grasped the right way of this class.

However, i still cant get to understand why anyone in a AP full spec would want a norse build with the other talents you can get instead

I mean, 10 seconds less cd on a stun is not that attractive or will decide the outcome of an encounter. The less cd on interupt i can understand locking down a healerwise, but still not a gamebreaker unless you sole job is only to kill healers.

And heres the most difficult reason i have aswell leaving out RS. The whole idea of dropping RS is as i understand it, too get a bigger window under your 12 second PFT timer cd but as you already put in comments following your guide, flame sweep adds also a stack and i have yet to go into a fight without having at least 3 stacks ready for the fight and still have 0 heat because out cylinder drops it fast.
Sure i cant do that trick while i first engaged combat but the argument of dropping RS just for a few seconds more to build up PFT in dynamic pvp i find weird Id rather just do the armor ignore talent and do my tree the normal way, as an AP we are a bit lower compared to Pyros in burst and why not get the most dmg out of your abilities if you can?

All of this 12 second window aswell completely ignores the possiblity of being stunned/push or otherwise stopped to do dps and i for one am not letting go of RS. Remember also if your teammate has already stunned or dotted up your enemy. Opening with ED+RS before 10m range is also very nice.

Anyways thanks again for the read, well put together guide.
Let me see if I can help out a bit, with these questions. The reason you choose Norse is for more team play and an easier and more fluid playstyle. How often do you actually use RS in a long fight? Maybe twice at best. It may hit for 2800 or 3100. With the Norse, I get a 4 percent damage reduction to everyone who I hit with Flame Sweep or Flame Burst, plus faster stuns (invaluable at times) in exchange for 1 extra bonus shot every 15 seconds.

I am not saying I am against the Rail Shot builds. In a straight up pve battle Rail Shots are about 4 percent better, but in pvp where damage reduction, cc, and mobility are key I prefer Norse. The Norse is a more defensive build. It's built around keeping others and yourself alive while maximizing the amount of times I can use PFT.

It's completely preferential. You prefer to have a really hard hitting RS and a 30 percent slow that's overridden by most everyone, and I prefer more stuns and more damage reduction along with more PFT uptime. So it's essentially where do you want to spend your points? Both work really well in the right hands.

The only negative to the RS build is it's more energy used up.
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
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TheOpf
06.29.2012 , 01:51 PM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Skullbash View Post
Good points, I like the railshot build as well because of the instant 30% slow on rb, which is huge to me, especially for kiting marauders, and the ed/rs combo after a slow gives you something to use that hurts at range. That slow and hydraulic overrides make a lot of classes much easier for me in 1v1 situations. Heck, you can even ignore the railshot proc/armor penetration skill if you want and just use rb for the slow only while playing the same as you do in the norse spec.

More of an opinion thing I guess, But i just have more fun playing with a railshot build.

I am all for that, I actually spend time in both Norse, RS, and Pyro depending on grouping. The RS is great if you have to kite alot.. I rarely play my pt anymore since my team has rerolled, but I am seeing alot of RS. The biggest downside to RS is it can miss when anyone shoots there abilities that get rid of physical damage.
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
Anam Ithieor- 50 AP Powertech
Anbas Ithieor- 20 Operative (lethality/healer)

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Aeceus
06.29.2012 , 04:37 PM | #183
Opf, would you be able to update the build links? They seem to have gone a bit wonky since the changes on 6/25. Thanks for the great guide and I can't wait to give it a try on my Vanguard.

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Sullax
06.29.2012 , 06:17 PM | #184
Hey Opf,

Ever since I read this post I was intrigued with Tibetan Candle. You wrote, it has the potential to do the most DPS of all specs and I believe you! However, it's true that it is incredibly difficult to play because your rotations in a stressful PvP environment must be perfect.

Now, I played pyro 8/8/25 since around patch 1.1 and loved that playstyle. However, now after months it was getting dull of course and I tried something new, TC, and I LOVED it! It's the class which utilizes the most fire abilities (even flame sweep) and I just like them visually. So thanky you very much for this useful guide!

But I seem to do incredibly bad though. I played a few ranked games and got frustrated and ragespecced to pyro again, noticing a dramatic increase in damage done... I think I just don't have the playstyle down at the moment. Are you playing TC in ranked warzones at the moment? Is it any good? If yes, please give nap, who is used to the easy pyro-playstyle some hints how he might get better with this spec! I'm not asking 1v1 advice of course, but how I'm best deployed in a team setting (namely ranked WZ's).

As I see it, TC is so much more melee than pyro, that's why I seem to attract more focus fire, die a lot faster and not even have a chance to activate a second flame thrower burst. Mabye I'm also getting focused because I made a name of myself already for hard railshots. My gear isn't BiS yet, but I'm working on it. I have the PvE and PvP combat tech bonus (made the most sense to me).

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TheOpf
06.29.2012 , 08:14 PM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Sullax View Post
Hey Opf,

Ever since I read this post I was intrigued with Tibetan Candle. You wrote, it has the potential to do the most DPS of all specs and I believe you! However, it's true that it is incredibly difficult to play because your rotations in a stressful PvP environment must be perfect.

Now, I played pyro 8/8/25 since around patch 1.1 and loved that playstyle. However, now after months it was getting dull of course and I tried something new, TC, and I LOVED it! It's the class which utilizes the most fire abilities (even flame sweep) and I just like them visually. So thanky you very much for this useful guide!

But I seem to do incredibly bad though. I played a few ranked games and got frustrated and ragespecced to pyro again, noticing a dramatic increase in damage done... I think I just don't have the playstyle down at the moment. Are you playing TC in ranked warzones at the moment? Is it any good? If yes, please give nap, who is used to the easy pyro-playstyle some hints how he might get better with this spec! I'm not asking 1v1 advice of course, but how I'm best deployed in a team setting (namely ranked WZ's).

As I see it, TC is so much more melee than pyro, that's why I seem to attract more focus fire, die a lot faster and not even have a chance to activate a second flame thrower burst. Mabye I'm also getting focused because I made a name of myself already for hard railshots. My gear isn't BiS yet, but I'm working on it. I have the PvE and PvP combat tech bonus (made the most sense to me).
I tried TC for two weeks, and grew so tired of it. It was like my brain was on fire from all the constant weaving of attacks. When I went to Pyro or AP it was like a relief not to have to monitor everything. It's an incredibly mind numbingly exhausting. I put it in there because numbers wise it's better than anything except 31pt pyro.
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
Anam Ithieor- 50 AP Powertech
Anbas Ithieor- 20 Operative (lethality/healer)

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TheOpf
06.29.2012 , 08:28 PM | #186
Updated builds and basic information.
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
Anam Ithieor- 50 AP Powertech
Anbas Ithieor- 20 Operative (lethality/healer)

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midnitemonster
07.08.2012 , 03:45 PM | #187
I am currently looking through old posts as I type this. So If I find my answer I will delete it. But... Could you be just as effective in a Operation setting w/o using Rail Shot on a regular basis? Lets say you are using RS build but are leaving out the RS due to how fast some fights are, and other things going on. I sometimes have felt that sticking with the regular 12 sec Norse rotation allowed me more dps. No?

And maybe its just me but since 1.3 I have been having heat issues while using the max dps for raids and trying to work around the 12 second rotation.
"Evil is a word used by the ignorant and the weak. The dark side is about survival. It's about unleashing your inner power. It glorifies the strength of the individual."

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TheOpf
07.09.2012 , 09:34 AM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by midnitemonster View Post
I am currently looking through old posts as I type this. So If I find my answer I will delete it. But... Could you be just as effective in a Operation setting w/o using Rail Shot on a regular basis? Lets say you are using RS build but are leaving out the RS due to how fast some fights are, and other things going on. I sometimes have felt that sticking with the regular 12 sec Norse rotation allowed me more dps. No?

And maybe its just me but since 1.3 I have been having heat issues while using the max dps for raids and trying to work around the 12 second rotation.
No one is watching damage on trash. I have ran the Norse Spec and standard AP on Trash. Norse is higher depending on the amount of adds and how long they stay up.
The Bounty Hunter AP Guide: Always Learning -Vanguard Tactics Guide: Where is my PG Slow?
Anam Ithieor- 50 AP Powertech
Anbas Ithieor- 20 Operative (lethality/healer)

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midnitemonster
07.09.2012 , 10:13 AM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by TheOpf View Post
No one is watching damage on trash. I have ran the Norse Spec and standard AP on Trash. Norse is higher depending on the amount of adds and how long they stay up.
Yeah I weeded through the older posts and saw that essentially Max Dps spec is a 5% increase on single targets. Aka bosses.
"Evil is a word used by the ignorant and the weak. The dark side is about survival. It's about unleashing your inner power. It glorifies the strength of the individual."

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Powrtech
08.14.2012 , 04:18 PM | #190
hey i was wondering if you can answer a question of mine. So in PVE im having trouble getting to five stacks of PFT in the twelve seconds. I was wondering if in these pve situations where heat just becomes too much for me, like it gets around 30-40 because of constant flame bursts, when the flame thrower gets off cd, should i use it with the number of stacks i already have (around 3 or 4) or should i wait to get it to 5 stacks for more damage on flame thrower itselft but less damage output and more heat before it. I really try to get 5 stacks before the 12 seconds is up but sometimes the heat just gets too much.
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