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10pm downtime? Really?


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pRagmata
04.11.2012 , 12:37 PM | #401
Quote: Originally Posted by Staavis_SC View Post
(cut) ...a few days later, Bioware announced that yes, in fact, it is to become the norm, and West Coasters will just have to deal with it.

So it's more than a little difficult to sit here and watch it happen again, and not expect the other shoe to drop. (cut)
I get that and if you are correct then your argument is a bit justified, but my suggestion would be to complain then (because it's obvious you are going to anyways; rightfully) and not now. I understand you may want to get in front of anything as an attempt to influence, but outcry after the fact works just as well when a major group of people is affected. Trying to predict the future either makes you look like a prophet or an entitled child. Extremes. Stress. Taking a more patient approach gives you maturity you are lacking in this situation. You don't need to be a prophet, by all accounts, you just need your game at a certain time. Give them a chance to redeem that for you.

The change from 2am to midnight makes LOTS of sense when you take the considerations of the other areas and is very acceptable because midnight is late. I don't care about your schedule, midnight is late and past primetime. They don't put primetime TV on at 12 to meet your schedule, because your schedule is not primetime. It may be YOUR prime playing time, but no one cares about YOU individually.

A change from midnight to 10pm affects WAY worse than the previous one and they developers will recognize that. It's much less favorable to move into ACTUAL primetime from their standpoint. You again aren't looking passed yourself.


p.s I should have mentioned I am on the west coast too.

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Dodskrigare
04.11.2012 , 12:38 PM | #402
Quote: Originally Posted by Staavis_SC View Post
How can anyone from the West Coast or Oceanica NOT think this will become the norm?

It used to be a 2am shutdown for maintenance.

Then it became 12am.

Now, we're looking at 10pm.

It has happened before. The first time it went down at midnight instead of the normal 2am, people said the same thing you are saying. "It's special circumstances, it won't be like this all the time."

Then a few days later, Bioware announced that yes, in fact, it is to become the norm, and West Coasters will just have to deal with it.

So it's more than a little difficult to sit here and watch it happen again, and not expect the other shoe to drop.

Two things:

1) Had the shutdown been at midnight, as usual, there would have been no post from me. That's norm, I would have accepted it, and thought nothing of it, other than the short notice.

2) Had the patch window been longer than the normal 8 hours (which the shutdown notice indicates is NOT the case) I probably wouldn't have thought much about it either, accepting they needed additional time, hence why they moved it up.

But neither of these things is the case. The patch window is the same 8 hours it almost always is, but, if they can do the patch in 8 hours, like a normal maintenance cycle, then why the move up by 2 hours?

The only reasoning I can ascertain is because they intend to make 10pm the new normal, and I fully expect them to announce as much, once 1.2 has dropped.
Ya know, here is the thing.

Even not being a West Coaster but living in the US, I play on a West Coast server because the server pop is higher during some of my available playtime (late nights here.) Even if they do chose to move up maintenance time permanently, I don't see it as an issue. There are other things to do than play SWTOR. Yes, its a good game. Over the course of a month, your talking about losing 8-10 hours of playtime. If you look at the amount of time logged on a character, in the grand scheme of things, that's nothing. Its time you can spend with family (although if you complain this much about stuff that really matters I can imagine you not being the favored son so to speak), friends, catching up on TV, reading a book, or catching up on sleep. Hell, go out and grab a drink at a bar and relax a little, might do you some good.

All told you aren't losing much, and yet your making it out to be a huge issue. BW announcing this Tuesday put a huge dent in my plans for the week. I had planned on telling my wife I was pulling an all nighter in the man-cave tonight to try and level my guardian to 50 before the weekend. Well, that is not going to happen obviously. Oh...wait...even better, I can pull an all nighter Thursday night instead and still probably manage my 50 by the weekend.

It is life, things don't follow some nice cheery script. Be an adult and deal with it like the rest of us. Or go ahead, get upset, complain, jack your stress level up like a child, the older you get though, the shorter that makes you life expectancy, stress is a killer, leads to heart attacks, strokes and mental break downs. Why do that to yourself, especially over a game?

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Dkzero
04.11.2012 , 12:41 PM | #403
Quote: Originally Posted by Staavis_SC View Post
How can anyone from the West Coast or Oceanica NOT think this will become the norm?

It used to be a 2am shutdown for maintenance.

Then it became 12am.

Now, we're looking at 10pm.

It has happened before. The first time it went down at midnight instead of the normal 2am, people said the same thing you are saying. "It's special circumstances, it won't be like this all the time."

Then a few days later, Bioware announced that yes, in fact, it is to become the norm, and West Coasters will just have to deal with it.

So it's more than a little difficult to sit here and watch it happen again, and not expect the other shoe to drop.

Two things:

1) Had the shutdown been at midnight, as usual, there would have been no post from me. That's norm, I would have accepted it, and thought nothing of it, other than the short notice.

2) Had the patch window been longer than the normal 8 hours (which the shutdown notice indicates is NOT the case) I probably wouldn't have thought much about it either, accepting they needed additional time, hence why they moved it up.

But neither of these things is the case. The patch window is the same 8 hours it almost always is, but, if they can do the patch in 8 hours, like a normal maintenance cycle, then why the move up by 2 hours?

The only reasoning I can ascertain is because they intend to make 10pm the new normal, and I fully expect them to announce as much, once 1.2 has dropped.
Dud give it up already, not one person is on your side.

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Bloodstealer
04.11.2012 , 01:49 PM | #404
Quote: Originally Posted by Alkiii View Post
Our Anniversary is today ... so this patch couldn't have come at a better time.

I don't think there will be any up/down time though. We're in our 60's ...
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Bloodstealer
04.11.2012 , 01:56 PM | #405
Quote: Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
Breaking down the fact that a day isn't actually 24 hours is pretty pedantic. Pointing out that when the OP broke down the amount of time they received from the notice to when the patch will be deployed into hours the numbers used were technically incorrect.

It can be difficult to explain ”how long is a day on Earth” because there are many variables. The most convenient convention is to say that it is 24 hours for normal conversational situations.

I was going for humour. But hey ho.

Approximately 5 Earth days ago I found out that the patch was coming this week.

Breaking down the amount of time the OP had into business days is irrelevant as at no point was the OP promised 3 days. Business days, Earth days, Jupiter days or (my personal imaginary favourite) Verubian days.

And if you really only want completely relevant posts I would suggest avoiding this forum altogether.

Holy bejeeessues... We now have 2 separate discussions/arguments in this post talking/shouting and whinning about nothing more than time....
To my left we have the West Coast Me, Me Me want my 2hrs or life will become unbearable poster..
To my right we have others discussing the Space Time Continuum relative to where exactly time is measured from.. to....


All I can add now is... I need a freaking beer ....
I cant take this crazy talk anymore.... if this hurts the OP's life so much or the "its not 3 days notice its 2.1576345254 days" people cant live without more precise timekeeping then ya just gunna have to take that age old life decision.... The Green Pill or the Red Pill... otherwise just quit moaning like silly kids, pick yourselves up, dust yourseves off and suck in some much need air and be happy were are getting 1.2 this week, not next week or the week after... like so many other MMO's often do to us ... go heat up your sabres and go do what we were put on this big fluffy planet for... EWOK slaying!!!

What... whadda ya mean we got no teddies to slay.... bahhh rage quitting with immediate effect......

BTW the first 17 pages made me laugh so much m y ribs are really hurting today... plzzzz show some consideration, feel my pain and STOP THIS!!!!!
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BucMan
04.11.2012 , 02:03 PM | #406
Quote: Originally Posted by Staavis_SC View Post
How can anyone from the West Coast or Oceanica NOT think this will become the norm?

It used to be a 2am shutdown for maintenance.

Then it became 12am.

Now, we're looking at 10pm.

It has happened before. The first time it went down at midnight instead of the normal 2am, people said the same thing you are saying. "It's special circumstances, it won't be like this all the time."

Then a few days later, Bioware announced that yes, in fact, it is to become the norm, and West Coasters will just have to deal with it.

So it's more than a little difficult to sit here and watch it happen again, and not expect the other shoe to drop.

Two things:

1) Had the shutdown been at midnight, as usual, there would have been no post from me. That's norm, I would have accepted it, and thought nothing of it, other than the short notice.

2) Had the patch window been longer than the normal 8 hours (which the shutdown notice indicates is NOT the case) I probably wouldn't have thought much about it either, accepting they needed additional time, hence why they moved it up.

But neither of these things is the case. The patch window is the same 8 hours it almost always is, but, if they can do the patch in 8 hours, like a normal maintenance cycle, then why the move up by 2 hours?

The only reasoning I can ascertain is because they intend to make 10pm the new normal, and I fully expect them to announce as much, once 1.2 has dropped.

The only reason I can ascertain that the time is 10pm for this patch is because they are giving themselves a cushion the following day to reduce the potential backlash of having to bring down the servers to fix the patch. And 1 occurence does not a trend make.


You are starting with your conclusion and then shaping your evidence to fit that. There are many possibilities. Perhaps it has something to do with the staff in Austin or wherever else. Nobody knows. But to assume it will now be the norm is folly.

Had this complaint come after 2 instances of regular maintenance(not patch updating) of 10pm server downs you would see a lot less flames and probably have more agreeing with you.

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Zajen
04.11.2012 , 02:21 PM | #407
Personally I think it's in order to make a small handfull of server administrators lives easier.

Every other MMO tried to find the sweet spot for downtime and did a decent job doing so. Coincidentally they all decided on roughly the same time.

Bioware is special, we are not.

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Seriasx
04.11.2012 , 02:26 PM | #408
Quote: Originally Posted by Vegabond View Post
Sigh, you wanted the release date now you have it now you QQ about downtime

when does it stop
It stops when half of North America gets a massive advantage over the other half.


Easy fix, do it at 3am PST
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Dayln
04.11.2012 , 02:29 PM | #409
Quote: Originally Posted by Seriasx View Post
It stops when half of North America gets a massive advantage over the other half.


Easy fix, do it at 3am PST
And by massive advantage they are talking about a couple of hours in the middle of a weeknight for a video game
I have a bad feeling about this

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fdswer
04.11.2012 , 02:37 PM | #410
First World problems?