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10pm downtime? Really?


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pRagmata
04.11.2012 , 12:06 PM | #391
Your limited scope/view of the world and things outside of your own life is what is causing this to get flamed/trolled, not that you are complaining/being opinionated.

First, stop extrapolating that this is going to become regular. It's a patch on a Thursday, not maintenance on a Tuesday. Special circumstances that you can't foresee how it will affect the future. There has also been nothing posted indicating this is going to become commonplace.

Second, and I'm not kidding about this, private message me your mailing address and I will personally send you a cheque for the 2.00 you would be losing if this did end up being changed. I'll give you my math and if you don't agree then let me know in the PM and we can discuss it:

15.00 ($) / 30 (days) = 0.5 (per day)
0.5 / 24 (hours in a day) = 0.02 (per hour)
0.02 * 2 (hours lost) = 0.04 (per 2 hours)
0.04 * 4 (Tuesdays a month) = 0.16 (per 2 hours of 4 days a month)
0.16 * 12 (months in a year) = 2.00 (per year)

If this turns out to be normal, I will send you a cheque for 2.00.

If this turns out to be a one off, I will send you a cheque for 0.04.

I understand your argument, but you are overreacting and extrapolating. You are more upset because you expect this to become the norm. Your initial response is to be upset, but now you are more upset because you expect this to be normal which we have no proof of as this is a special circumstance. Plans change, things happens. You are living the PERFECT life if you have never experienced something unexpected change your plans that you have paid for.

As an engineer, you may not understand the lack of communication between head offices and the workers (I don't know, I'm not an engineer), but often what is said by individuals not on the line and what is actual has discrepancies. They probably wanted 3 days notice, but wanted it to get out for the weekend as well. So for a weekend launch, you do it on Thursday so that you have the day to watch for bugs and get special patches out. Then Friday comes and everything is smooth for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Any other date misses the optimal launch time for a weekend release. Either they did it now or next week. They opted to miss the "3 days" for an earlier launch. If there was a contract, I'd accept your argument more. There was no contract, the EULA provides them the leverage to do this and it's about getting content to the players. If you work in an environment different that this, I understand where you are coming from, but you have to recognize the world you live in is different that the world someone else does. How things work for you is NOT the same as how things work for others.

Personally, I am from the West Coast and I play about 4 times a month for a total of about 8 hours. More or less depending on how I am feeling or if I am interested in reaching a goal. If part of that time is interrupted, I don't give a damn because I'm practically paying to not play. I'm paying to support this game because I think it's going to be big. I want it to be big.

Gut reaction to change is, "Well damnit. I'm angry, let's complain." THAT'S NORMAL. Your OP is fine, but then normal people realize, "Okay, that a was a bit of an overreaction. My bad." You have not reached this point and you need to. Otherwise, you are just another entitled ******* in this world who needs to be terminated.

The bottom line: Fall on your sword or Unsubscribe. I make more than enough I would be happy to pay for an extra subscription to compensate. I'm definitely NOT paying for YOUR normal subscription though because THAT would be a waste of my money.

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Dayln
04.11.2012 , 12:11 PM | #392
In dog days they gave us over 14 days notice
I have a bad feeling about this

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Blistrich
04.11.2012 , 12:11 PM | #393
Quote: Originally Posted by Staavis_SC View Post
How about Bioware keep their word for once and live up to their promise of "keeping downtime consistent"?
Seriously?

Like... seriously?

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Babyduck
04.11.2012 , 12:19 PM | #394
Quote: Originally Posted by Staavis_SC View Post
Why the sudden change to 10pm as a downtime? You've already alienated the West Coast, New Zealand and Australia in the past, by shutting down at Midnight, now, you gotta screw over the West even more, and go at 10pm?

The downtime is 8 hours, same as every other downtime. Why the early shutdown? Why move it more into primetime?

Oh, and @StephenReid....3 days notice? Looks like about a 1 day notice to me, but then again, they didn't teach them new fangled math-e-ma-matics at my grade school, high school or college.

You agreed that they could do maintenance at any time they deem appropriate. This is covered in the EUALA. Complaining about it just shows your lack of reading or lack of reading comprehension.
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RolyartNala
04.11.2012 , 12:21 PM | #395
Quote: Originally Posted by Staavis_SC View Post
Why the sudden change to 10pm as a downtime?
It's not going to kill you to do something else for a single evening. SWTOR will be back tomorrow.
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stickyickytricky
04.11.2012 , 12:21 PM | #396
who cares about the downtime...

if you are mad about this just wait for the emergency downtime in the next couple of days to fix all the stuff that is wrong with 1.2

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OddballEasyEight
04.11.2012 , 12:23 PM | #397
Quote: Originally Posted by GooseGrims View Post
because the OP is the one doing all the complaining? i hate how ppl like you take 1 persons opinion and bash then cause of what others have said. and they have a valid point we were told we would have notice, every other patch has been on a tuesday why bring this one out of left field and release on a thursday?

and as a person who lives on the west coast this does piss me off, i usally go to bed around 12-1 now im gonna be sitting around watching old tv shows or movies. and to anyone that will say "get a life" only a few of my friends go out that late and they go to bars. i dont drink and i only have an M1 liceanse so cant be the driver.
So its either play SWTOR or drink...

those are the options?


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Staavis_SC
04.11.2012 , 12:27 PM | #398
Quote: Originally Posted by pRagmata View Post
First, stop extrapolating that this is going to become regular. It's a patch on a Thursday, not maintenance on a Tuesday. Special circumstances that you can't foresee how it will affect the future. There has also been nothing posted indicating this is going to become commonplace...

...I understand your argument, but you are overreacting and extrapolating. You are more upset because you expect this to become the norm. Your initial response is to be upset, but now you are more upset because you expect this to be normal which we have no proof of as this is a special circumstance.
How can anyone from the West Coast or Oceanica NOT think this will become the norm?

It used to be a 2am shutdown for maintenance.

Then it became 12am.

Now, we're looking at 10pm.

It has happened before. The first time it went down at midnight instead of the normal 2am, people said the same thing you are saying. "It's special circumstances, it won't be like this all the time."

Then a few days later, Bioware announced that yes, in fact, it is to become the norm, and West Coasters will just have to deal with it.

So it's more than a little difficult to sit here and watch it happen again, and not expect the other shoe to drop.

Two things:

1) Had the shutdown been at midnight, as usual, there would have been no post from me. That's norm, I would have accepted it, and thought nothing of it, other than the short notice.

2) Had the patch window been longer than the normal 8 hours (which the shutdown notice indicates is NOT the case) I probably wouldn't have thought much about it either, accepting they needed additional time, hence why they moved it up.

But neither of these things is the case. The patch window is the same 8 hours it almost always is, but, if they can do the patch in 8 hours, like a normal maintenance cycle, then why the move up by 2 hours?

The only reasoning I can ascertain is because they intend to make 10pm the new normal, and I fully expect them to announce as much, once 1.2 has dropped.
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Babyduck
04.11.2012 , 12:32 PM | #399
Quote: Originally Posted by Staavis_SC View Post
How can anyone from the West Coast or Oceanica NOT think this will become the norm?

It used to be a 2am shutdown for maintenance.

Then it became 12am.

Now, we're looking at 10pm.

It has happened before. The first time it went down at midnight instead of the normal 2am, people said the same thing you are saying. "It's special circumstances, it won't be like this all the time."

Then a few days later, Bioware announced that yes, in fact, it is to become the norm, and West Coasters will just have to deal with it.

So it's more than a little difficult to sit here and watch it happen again, and not expect the other shoe to drop.

Two things:

1) Had the shutdown been at midnight, as usual, there would have been no post from me. That's norm, I would have accepted it, and thought nothing of it, other than the short notice.

2) Had the patch window been longer than the normal 8 hours (which the shutdown notice indicates is NOT the case) I probably wouldn't have thought much about it either, accepting they needed additional time, hence why they moved it up.

But neither of these things is the case. The patch window is the same 8 hours it almost always is, but, if they can do the patch in 8 hours, like a normal maintenance cycle, then why the move up by 2 hours?

The only reasoning I can ascertain is because they intend to make 10pm the new normal, and I fully expect them to announce as much, once 1.2 has dropped.
And I will repeat what I just wrote for you. You agreed that they could do maintenance at any time they deem appropriate. This is covered in the EUALA. Complaining about it just shows your lack of reading or lack of reading comprehension.

Patches are always going to interfere with some ones playing time. BioWare decides when that will be and they do not have to give any explanation. You agreed to that when you agreed to the game EUALA.
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SlimsPicken
04.11.2012 , 12:37 PM | #400
ye gods man.

They patch the game to improve it and all we can do is complain that we lose a few hours of play for ONE DAY?

I dont want to live on this planet anymore.
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