My Thoughts on the SWTOR Hate

Well, thanks for that in-depths analysis of each feature and the comparison to our 2012 successor

Another trial user who didn´t finish the beginner´s tutorial

well it's been done 1000 times. Hasn't been effective so far but who knows.

Just because someone refuses to listen to the truth doesn't mean you should stop telling it

Hilarious.. reminds me of "dreamwalking" in the Sith Inquisitor Story...

Current Poll results:

14% - voted "Stick to the SWTOR concept" (Catastrophic result IMHO, congrats BW)
51% - vote for a Sandbox/Themepark Hybrid
31% - vote for SWG2
4% - buy any SW game no matter what

So, you assume that everyone who disliked SWG didn't finish the tutorial.

Well done, sir. Way to ignore everything that has been said so far about how unpolished a turd SWG was on launch, and how terribly they ruined it when NGE hit.

I noticed that you have said nothing about the "re-vamp" yourself. Did you enjoy having all your hard work erased and replaced by a one-dimentional, single-class, piece of crap MMO where the problems with combat and content persisted?

I mean, you're a fan of SWG to the extent that you acknowledge none of its massive faults while whining about how terrible SWTOR is on the SWTOR forums. It all seems a bit trollish and one-sided, wouldn't you agree?

If not, please, enlighten us regarding what you did when the game got messed up?

You know what, I totally agree with you. I for one will always at least listen to someone putting forth something as information. If yelled at, I usually just pay attention to how something was said and not what is being said. Add insults, and it's just a bunch of noise really.

Probably because SWG sucked ***.

1) Roll your eyes all you wish, but your hypocrisy is showing: the person you quoted to support didn't have an in depth analysis, yet you thought that was a post worth of support.

2) Throughout development they went out of their way to say they were not the successor, spiritual or otherwise, of SWG.

3) I tried it in Alpha and Beta on Ahazi and Bria. I tried it immediately after release (first Master Pistoleer on Bria post release, or dam close). I tried it a few months after release. Tried it after JTLS. Tried it right before CU. Tried it right after CU. Tried it right before NGE. Tried it right after NGE. So I, personally, was just not "Another trial user who didn't finish the beginner´s tutorial" and hated it every time I tried it (but man, did I give it every opportunity to win me over), but of course you need to revert to such horrible generalizations because it's impossible for anyone to have any other opinion than yours....and if they do have a dissenting opinion from yours, they need to have their opinion marginalized in an attempt to dismiss.

Those polls are based on what pool of players? 300 people? Yeah, that sounds about right for the SWG player base.

I do not know the "pre-cu" or "pre-NGE" version. Sorry. I started later.
Nothing was trashed for me. Ground combat was indeed bad, never said it was good. But there were a lot other aspects than slashing mobs. I get bored by slashing mobs in TOR as well, always the same kill/click container.

SWG was probably not representative for MMOs, I know I liked SWG but I guess I do not like MMOs then, especially theme park /WoW genre type. Wrong choice. TSW seems more exciting to me, same SWG crafting and investigation missions with puzzles. I need different things to do than mow down herds of randomly placed mobs. Also I like EvE. I miss the action space PvP from SWG though.

Aaaaand that's where the discussion ends for me.

I appreciate the candid tone of this post, and I get where you're coming from, but this is exactly why so many of us here have a problem with comparing SWG to SWTOR. They are not the same game and were never meant to be. In fact, the version of SWG you played is closer to this game than what it started off as.

You have basically confirmed that you didn't play SWG beta, you never played mixed classes, and you never experienced the vanilla game. You're one of the latecomers who played the game that the rest of us left behind and tried to forget about... the dumbed-down, unappealing, pointless version of SWG that featured none of what it was originally intended to feature.

You weren't stripped of all your creatures, the professions the rest of us labored to balance perfectly, or the early, open-ended faction system that might have worked if they had put a bit more effort into the design. Classic SWG was designed to be a revolutionary experience... and it was ultimately redesigned to be garbage. So please understand that when you say "SWG" and I say "SWG", we are talking about 2 different games.