Who Swtor was made for.

I think that is the most honest and even handed criticism I've read yet. I quit playing MMO's years ago, I guess because they felt catered to the hardcore MMO player. Everquest, Asheron's Call, Galaxies *Which I so wanted to love but couldn't*, and the best PVP game ever done for the MMO world. Dark Age of Camelot. (If I dev reads this one... go back and look at how that game handled open world PvP and you will find some answers to your problems.)

Funnily enough, I have always felt that I myself was a hardcore gamer. I guess in the last few years I've been proven wrong.

When I played those, it felt like it took forever to reach endgame content. This game it was quite quick. WHich made me happy. Now, I don't have anything to do on my main except to raid once or twice a week. Which does leave me bored sometimes. But, for the most part. I find it to be exactly what I wanted it to be. I guess the race will be for those who aren't quite hardcore gamers, but still want to be engaged, is how quickly will we run out of content to play that is new and fresh to us, before they stop giving us new content. So far, for my play level, Bioware is still in the lead in that reguard. But, the longer they take to give each new content patch; the more likely a 2/3's hardcore MMOer like me can catch up.

The problem in WoW is that they centralized raiding as the primary objective of the game,. Casuals only felt the need to raid because Blizzard centralized that as their game.

This is not a game aimed at the hardcore. Many HC gamers (like myself) are guilty of trying to make this game what it simply isn't.

As the Bioware Rep on the Pax East Panel said, to Paraphrase "your focused demographic is usually dictated by how much the game cost to make. In the future when these game can be made faster and for less money, I'm sure we'll see a lot of games aimed a niche audiences like the hardcore but for now, you don't spend 300 million on a game for 70k-100k subscriptions."

When I quit WoW years ago, I said i would wait for Swtor, as it seemed to have what i wanted from a game and after 7 years, it wasn't set in Azeroth.


What i hadn't (but should have) anticipated was the targeted audience and how wide the net Swtor was casting.

After hitting 50, raiding and rolling numerous alts to 50 It started to sink in that the overall difficulty level of this game is not what i expected. Then again, what I expected was based on what I had hoped for rather than what was most logical for the company and the subsequent game.


Basically we the minority, the hardcore few will never change the aims of this game and would be silly to even try to. Accept What the game is, then evaluate if it is for you. Anything more is just trying to change something that was obviously not meant for your play style.

im glad bioware do not cater for hardcore raiders ..

their current focus on story and casual players indicate that bioware do their homework and market research and correctly summarized that its casual players who play slowly and therefore subscribe longer than the endgame crowd who left for new game anyway..

so i hope bioware add more story and expand the class quest and companion stories.. and do not listen to the loudmouth forum poster because every MMO that listen to their hardcore forum poster will be ruined, just like Warhammer Online, Age of Conan and countless MMO ruined by hardcore gamers..

Did this game really take 300mill to make? wow, seriously wow, I guess that went all in to the voice acting.

On topic, I play more than most but i don't consider myself a hardcore gamer. i try to enjoy the game if i like it.
Hardcore to me is more the min/maxing part of games, looking for info on forums/sites.

What the Op is saying is pretty much my thoughts also, i don't understand why people try to change the core of a game instead of just moving on.