Who Swtor was made for.

I did every heroic 2 with a Vanguard. Not a single CC over 8 seconds, no trouble at all. Working on a DPS Juggernaut right now, done every heroic 2 so far. Skipping the 4s cuz it's impossible to find a group.

Something something about best intentions and being something fraught with disappointment something something.

Again, doesn't matter if it is pay to win or not, when people hear:



Funcom: "Pay $15/month" for The Secret World and you can play. We will also add a full cash shop that sells 'no advantage items' for your 'convienience'.

Player: Define 'advantage'. What exactly are you selling in there? Exp potions? Health pots? What?

Funcom: "We can't show you it all right now. Just sub at at launch and you can get a look at the entire inventory and see it's not pay to win."

Player: "Wait, you want me to buy your box, pay $15/month AND you're going to have a shop? Do I get free credits to buy things for that sub price in the shop like a stipend?"

Funcom: "No."

Player: "So I have to trust your word that they aren't 'advantage' by your definition?"

Funcom: "Would we lie to you?"

After following it's evolution, after halting production to shore up engine issues I find it hard to believe they would truly try to double dip. and as far as what you pulled from my quote, that was me trying to be PC. They on the other hand have said with no margin of error several times that the items sold will not give players an advantage over others who have not purchaced anything from the "Cash shop". Unless of course having a leather jacket and Zebra Print pants creates such shear awesome, it knocks down enemies.

Gear in TSW doesn't have stats. They can sell all the gear on the Cash Shop and it still won't give anyone an advantage. All gear does in TSW is customize the look of your char with unique items.

I never said WoW was a SPOG (single player online game), that would completely contradict what I was saying which is that SPOGs don't do well. Obviously WoW has done extremely well. What I WAS saying is that developers around the mmo world noticed the research which showed that WoW players spent the majority of their time soloing and thus concluding that it was soloing-together that was the secret to its success. Since then they have been creating one failed SPOG after another. If one has only been playing WoW this whole time this phenomena would have appeared under the radar, but I'm suggesting there is a long line of failed games that were essentially precursors to the SWTOR philosophy -- from Tabula Rasa to Champions Online, from Age of Conan to Auto Assault the list is long -- games which involved more or less forced soloing -- and though the SWTOR developers didn't cite these other games, they did make clear that they believe in the SPOG ideal and since they, Bioware, were experts in the single player rpg, they felt they could make this transition to online games and begin a revolution.

But the whole single player game thing just doesn't work for MMOs. And making life more miserable at the end game isn't going to change that.

So you don't think things like EXP potions or super HP/pots or something is advantage or just convienence? And do you even know if they are selling them? No. Neither do I but I'm not just taking their word for it as gospel, lol. That's the point.. wait and see instead of "Funcom promises me.."

Because I know companies that classify those as 'non-advantage' items while the players think it's advantage. I'm not talking about selling skills, lol.

Again, I'm going to be playing TSW. Let me make that clear. I'm just telling you and the other poster that despite whatever Funcom says, there is a huge amount of people automatically discounting the game simply because of three words: "cash" "shop" and "subscription".


The question is will there be enough who think that won't be a big deal (like me) and still sub?

That depends on what is revealed as being sold in the actual cash shop (not in press releases or 'blogs', etc) and how those potential players view those items being sold.

I think we've sufficiently gone off-topic now so let this puppy die.

Bahahahaha

"Hardcore" gamers. "Elite" gamers.

Sorry dudes, the amount of time you spend raiding and maxing out valor has nothing to do with being hardcore or elite. It means you spend a lot of time in one game.

If SWTOR has elicited your subscription, a so-called hardcore, elitist gamer for 3-4 months, then it has succeeded. If you leave, you'll be back. Even if you aren't, the vast majority that don't have complexes will still be here.

EXP potions don't give an advantage at cap. As long as the HP pots are the same as the ones available in game, it's not a problem. Some people pay with real money, others with game money.

No gamer is equal to another gamer, you'll have a lot in common with some gamers and you'll have almost no similarities with other gamers. That's why it is almost impossible to define the true hardcore player and the true casual player. I don't think the hours played or the goals a gamer has will define whether someone is hardcore or casual. It's probably more the way you look at yourself as a gamer.

The problem is not thats this game is not made for hardcore gamers its that its not even made for casuals its made for a new bread called super casuals.

I olny play a hr or 2 max a day somdays dont even log in our guild does nm 1 night a week where i play for more than 2 hrs. nm is a joke onl 1 fight deserves the title. and the fact that every boss drops 10 plus items kills the replay factor not realy there every week people just stop and they say why do it its to easy and noone needs anything.

The rest of the week is either leveling alts or pvp and while waiting in pvp que for 10- 20 min there is zero to do if you played the game for more than a month all tooos maxed crafting. they killed world pvp so you spend more time waiting than anything.

Most givin answers are go do dailys. did that need nothing from them.
Reroll to a more active server. lol this is just saying game is going downhill because this should never be a answer so soon after launch.