Sooo all the useful legacy unlocks are not in 1.2, but 1.3?!

We have already worn out this subject. We have been warned twice by mods to stay on the topic of the OP. So lets do so pls

The only people who should be mad about Legacy system not being in at launch, are the people that only bought this game because of the Legacy System. Bioware even told us that the legacy was not going to be in at launch, when they first began to talk about it a few months before release.

If yer so unhappy just quit and be gone.

At least you could gain Legacy XP starting at launch along with the trigger for unlocking the Legacy and naming said Legacy. They could have left all of that until everything was done and ready to be implemented, but they didn't because of how many players would be mad and rightfully so. Instead we have players complaining that the Legacy unlocks they've gained Legacy levels for and want are coming in 1.3 instead of 1.2.


At least they have Legacy levels in the first place.

Yes technology progresses, and as it does, becomes more complicated and harder/longer to design. Also, WoW has had over 11 years of writing content (forgetting what they copied from older games), to make it to what it is today. TOR hasn't, and on top of that they have had to understand the hero engine and the best way to design TOR around that crappy *** engine, not tweak their already designed engine they made themselves for warcraft3. TOR has suffered from EA's crappy budgeting on stupid expenditures giving a massive shortfall in much needed areas whereas WoW's budget would of probably been alot higher especially when you take into account economic inflation over the past decade. Yes sure they could of copied all of WoW's ideas and construed them to fit within SW lore, but by doing so they would of still of been in production an extra 5 years and would be running at an irretrievable loss. Jesus Christ man, think a little.

I've played just about every mmo at release.

Every time there were posts complaining about paying for beta testing it.

Major MMO's always launch with content that didn't make the cut and sometimes it gets added later.

Being completely honest with myself, even with all the problems i have with this game in its current state, I have to say it was the smoothest MMO launch and has the fewest bugs in it than any other MMO ever.

We can disagree with design decisions and time management choices we would have done differently; but seriously get off your *** and make a MMO if you can do it sooo much better.

Edit: PS if they had pushed the game release back to april this year in order to get legacy in for release most would have complained the whole time about how they needed to just hurry up and release it. ( i remeber a poll that had 70% or so people saying they'd pay a sub to beta test it anyways; couldn't find it on search might have been in the old beta forums)

It was true, in Shadowbane's case.

On the issue of WOW vs. SWTOR:

Look I remember when WOW first came out and the big honcho was EQ. Everyone said the same thing to Blizzard "Oh you'll never beat EQ." Then after vanilla WOW came out and people started signing up for it by the traincar I remember the complaints, "Oh but its no EQ, EQ has this and that and Blizzard will never compete if it doesn't have this or that from EQ".

But Blizzard carved their own path and eventually not only destroyed EQ, but now EQ is in the dustbin of history. Yah some people still play the game, but htese are kind of people that just won't let go out of familiarity or diehard fans.

The problem with SWTOR is not that it isn't like WOW, or it doesn't have some of the features WOW has (that's coming most assuredly) but that its TOO MUCH like WOW, it has too many of the same elements and in a lot of ways SWTOR is WOW with lightsabers.

And that's why people are growing bored with it and too quickly.

SWTOR needs to carve its own path and come up with some new innovations in order to be a great game in its own right. They started off with the right foot in the questing/dialouge system but are stepping away from that -- for example now lightt or dark makes really no difference other than some graphical issues. A Sith can use a blue lightsaber crystal, while a jedi can use red.

And why? To cater to the little kids and whiners who are here today and gone tomorrow.

They should stick to their concept and continue to innovate. The more they copy WOW, the lower the game becomes in my eye.

And for god's sake Blizzard, open up the game to real PVP. The WOW style WZ's are ultimately a losing proposition. Yah some people might quit when they get ganked once or twice on PVP server, but whats worse, losing some fools who played on a PVP sever aand were carebears or sinking the entire game?

For some reason, this just isn't that comforting...

At least you have wooden nickels!

No one is is entitled to anything.