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Female's being called sir..??

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Female's being called sir..??

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Tarbacca
04.07.2012 , 08:57 AM | #31
Yea, I noticed this on the Clone Wars TV series when Ahsoka was being called sir by clones...
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Temeluchus
04.07.2012 , 10:18 AM | #32
This topic has been beaten to death since beta, the reason everyone is addressed as Sir or Lord in the SWU is because it is considered a gender neutral form for superiors. Rl situations don't apply to the SWU in this case(I was in the USMC for 12 years and we call our female superiors by their rank or the honorific Ma'am)

There is a codex entry on the Republic side that explains it:

[Codex] Republic Military Ranks:

Like all military organizations, the Republic Army and Navy rely on ranking hierarchies to maintain a clear chain of command. These ranks are listed below, from highest responsibility to lowest. Unless otherwise noted, ranks are used across service branches. Supreme Commander General (Army), Admiral (Navy) Colonel (Army), Commodore (Navy) Major (Army), Group Captain (Navy) Captain Lieutenant Ensign Sergeant (Army), Petty Officer (Navy) Corporal Specialist Private. The term "commander" may be used to describe anyone in a position of command and is not reserved for a specific rank. Due to the great diversity of service personnel present in the Republic military, regulations specify that the honorific "sir" should be used when addressing any personnel of higher rank than oneself, regardless of the species, gender or position of the addressee.


Other than that it's surprising to see the fallacies in this thread, my favorite being that feminists hate ma'am because it is derived from madam which is the owner of a brothel. While it's true that a female brothel owner/operator is a madam, ma'am is derived from the French word for "my lady" which in turn is derived from the latin word meaning "my mistress(of the house)".
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elliotcat
04.07.2012 , 10:31 AM | #33
Yeah, it doesn't seem to be laziness, since on my smuggler I've been called ma'am by NPCs a few times. Also, Bowdaar called me "little girl" and that weird Rodian woman on Ord Mantell said to me "Hi there, pretty girl" which was...really special.

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Kaskava
04.07.2012 , 11:20 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Publicnemani View Post
My pet peeve is my character being called 'Lord' over my head as I am playing - its a female character so how hard is it to program 'Lady' instead? That I would prefer over the changing of 'sir' in the game dialogue.
The Empire has, is, and likely always will be, a patriarchal society. It's highly doubtful that the higher-ups care, and that the female Lords and Dark Council members want to assign themselves a title that could be construed in any way as being of lower status then they actually are.
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Demarco
04.07.2012 , 02:44 PM | #35
This has no bearing on this topic but it is a true story...

In 1982 I was in basic training at Lackland AFB. My Squadleader was trying to get us to a medical center get some kind of shots and we got lost.

We ran into a female Captain who just started chewing my squadleader out for not being able to read a simple street map. He got scared and kept calling her "Sir". "Yes Sir!"... "No Sir!" ... We are lost Sir!"

She went totally ballistic, "Do I look like a man to you airmen??" "Have you forgotten what a female looks like??" And he says..."NO SIR!" ... What a scene.

So the military at thet time anyway was definately gender specific in the way you address superiors. I don't know if it has changed recently but back then you certainly didn't call a female "Sir"

The funniest thing about this was when we finally got back to our barracks that day, there was a stack of pin-up posters on his bunk with a note saying this is a female.... HA HA HA!
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Temeluchus
04.07.2012 , 02:49 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Demarco View Post
This has no bearing on this topic but it is a true story...

In 1982 I was in basic training at Lackland AFB. My Squadleader was trying to get us to a medical center get some kind of shots and we got lost.

We ran into a female Captain who just started chewing my squadleader out for not being able to read a simple street map. He got scared and kept calling her "Sir". "Yes Sir!"... "No Sir!" ... We are lost Sir!"

She went totally ballistic, "Do I look like a man to you airmen??" "Have you forgotten what a female looks like??" And he says..."NO SIR!" ... What a scene.

So the military at thet time anyway was definately gender specific in the way you address superiors. I don't know if it has changed recently but back then you certainly didn't call a female "Sir"

The funniest thing about this was when we finally got back to our barracks that day, there was a stack of pin-up posters on his bunk with a note saying this is a female.... HA HA HA!
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Captain_Zone
04.07.2012 , 03:01 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Temeluchus View Post
Leave it to the Chair Force to pull an Oops like that.
Indeed. No hate here, though. Air Force DOES fly the AC-130 Spectre. Most bad*** air support platform on Earth, imo.

Anyhow, in Star Wars, "Sir" is used as a monogendered form of respect, similar to the British and Canadian armed forces. Also, in Star Trek, only Captain Janeway preferred to be called "ma'am". Every other time they showed a female captain, she was referred to as "sir".
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MelodicSixNine
04.07.2012 , 03:08 PM | #38
I would prefer to call female officer "Ma'am" not "Sir".
Of course I'm not trying to be sexists in anyway. It just feels awkward and rude to me to call a female "Sir".

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Braaaiins
04.07.2012 , 03:11 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by MelodicSixNine View Post
I would prefer to call female officer "Ma'am" not "Sir".
Of course I'm not trying to be sexists in anyway. It just feels awkward and rude to me to call a female "Sir".
Sums up how I feel



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Braaaiins
04.07.2012 , 03:13 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Jandi View Post
Lord implies status and power. Lady implies the ability to breed. I will never understand why the same people who demand gender-equality also want to be addressed as lesser than men. Completely stupid.
So you think women are lower than men?