Dungeon Finder Needed Badly

Now you're just not making sense.

I played WoW and lived through the supposed horrors of cross server dungeon finders. Sure you get the occasional headache group, but more times than not, the groups were more than fine. And every single person knows it. Unfortunately, you just tend to remember the bad ones, even if they are only a few.

The LFG systems implemented in games have done nothing but enhance the dungeon experience for those who wanted to use it. Get groups faster. Can quest/farm/dailies, what have you while waiting for your group. You do not have to sit in designated spot, spamming for wasted time.

All the supposed cons I cry hogwash. You get all that stuff, even worse, on your supposed community friendly single server. Hell look at the supposed community here on the forums. No one can post an opinion that goes against what you/he/she thinks without getting ridiculed or lambasted. Hypocrisy is what I say. Heck, you just basically help the argument that it destroys community being silly, very valid.

I don't know how many times I have seen someone try to complain about a ninja in a group to their server community. And instead of that community siding with the victim, they all turn on him or her and ridicule them for being a qq'r or its just pixels, etc. And again, you see the similar antics in the threads where folks have posted here about the ninjas and lack of etiquette in their single server experience.

It is pretty dang simple. If you dont like the LFG, do not use it. It will not affect your "community" at all because you will never see anyone from a different server. You can continue to sit in the fleet and spam away. You will not be affected in the slightest. Me using the LFD tool, will not affect you at all.

And it needs to be cross server, for the faction imbalances that are prevalent on servers. Some factions wont have a problem if it is single server, others it won't fix a thing for them. So they need to pair servers with opposite faction imbalances to help the dungeon running crowd.

And yeah, I spent two evenings LFG. Got one lousy run in, with about 5 hours of spamming over the two evenings. Im all for the LFD, pros and cons included. I'll deal with the bad stuff to be able to actually run something.

You're right, it's less of a question and more a warning.

We need a Cross-Server LFG before we reach a point where a Single-Server LFG can do the job just as well. If you catch my drift.

From someone who would prefer a single server dungeon finder tool, a X-Server LFG without GearScore and integrated DPS Meters is a lot better than one that has both of those other two added "features". Also, lets see how well even a cross server LFG tool works if you don't get a bonus reward simply for using the tool. People forget that in WoW it really took off when you got more from the dungeon than just boss drops and quest rewards....You got something that wasn't available if you simply ran the dungeon the old fashioned way.

Edit: Oh, and the whole thing about being able to do dailies or level up or whatever while still being able to queue for a Flashpoint is not exclusive to a cross server system. Many calling for the single server version want it just for that purpose.

That is true, but for those on low population servers, a single server group finder will not help, as we keep stating.

cross-server is a nightmare. it killed wow stonedead for myself and so many other players i played with.
my most relevant and remembered instance was a guy who joined and immediately spammed a macro of nig*** cu** all the way through the instance .... a good 50 minutes. Yes i can ignore him but there is limits to everything. because we couldnt kick him, thanks to the moronic kick rules that particular game had, and my ignore list was full to the brim of similar people, we had to play with this constant stream of racist scum-baggery from this guy.
loot rules have to be so very controlled and everyone just gets fed up and leaves and joins swotr ... oh wait.

LFG on the same server, yes totally. It means players cant act like douches without fear of reprisals and it makes the game so much easier to get groups for etc.
cross-server, gods no.

as for the op, um no.
no, i keep the heroic 2 and 4 man for the very simlpe reason that they are easy enough to get done. You dont need a tonk/healer/2 dps format fo most of em really.
Couple of dps and pets, youre fine.
good loot and good moneys to buy pretty shiny things with

You realise people can be like that without cross server all they like? They can also ninja loot currently and there's no rules against it. You also can't kick in this game currently, only the leader can. Sucks when the ninja is the leader.

I also like how you complain about someone else being horrible, then go on to basically say "I don't want to play with other people from other servers, I don't care about anyone else suffering on low pop servers, they can suffer."

Which is why the server mergers/transfers need to happen so if they implement the single server LFG tool, it gets a fair chance. Rift did not do this and they rushed to the cross server one.(then consolidated servers later because folks still had difficulties doing zone events and things of that nature)

Merge servers, use the single server tool with heroic mission functionality and I think it will work. The servers I worry about are the light ones. Standard seems to have a pretty good handle, but light just has little to no shot.

And again as we keep stating, from a business perspective Bioware will not merge servers for months yet. They will not want to go down as the MMO to have done the quickest server merge since Launch.

I've always said stereotypes may not be the right thing to do, but they exist for a reason. And there is a reason that regardless of the good/bad pro/con - which outweighs which argument that when cross server LFG went into place the ninjas and jerk behavior became more commonplace. More commonplace than what?? Only than before. What that actual percantage chance of having it happen in example group A or B I don't know about. It's really not THAT great a chance. I will also say that gearscore, badge rushing(& free stuff just for using the tool), and DPS Meters contributed to that. So while it shares blame with other things, the fact that other things also contributed does not absolve it of any responsibility.


Also, sometimes I wonder who I am arguing for as many folks who appear to be on my side of the fence are doing more to make us look foolish than anyone on the other side.

Advisor: "He'll use it to prove you are incompetent."

Benson: "Nonsense, I can prove that just as well as him"

-- exchange with President Benson and his advisor in Hot Shots Part Deux