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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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tkinnunzero
04.25.2012 , 12:13 PM | #231
Quote: Originally Posted by Katahn View Post
If every server had a healthy population across all level ranges would a cross-server LFG tool be necessary?
This was answered already, so let me ask you:

If every server had been merged into just one server, would you still be against cross-server LFG?

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Katahn
04.25.2012 , 12:48 PM | #232
Quote: Originally Posted by tkinnunzero View Post
This was answered already, so let me ask you:

If every server had been merged into just one server, would you still be against cross-server LFG?
No because I would have all the single-server functionality I want.
- Friends
- Forming groups without the tool
- Finding guilds via playing

Of course it would still be better to at least segregate the super-server into 4 slightly less super but still massive servers: PvE, PvP, RP-PvE, and RP-PvP.
Katahn
- Just an aging geek that remembers seeing Ep4 in the theater as a kid and knows that Han shot first!

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chaosdefined
04.26.2012 , 02:29 AM | #233
Quote: Originally Posted by Katahn View Post
No because I would have all the single-server functionality I want.
- Friends
- Forming groups without the tool
- Finding guilds via playing

Of course it would still be better to at least segregate the super-server into 4 slightly less super but still massive servers: PvE, PvP, RP-PvE, and RP-PvP.
If there were only super-servers like that, I can imagine the complaints would still come in only instead of Cross-Server being the cause of all evil, it would be "There are too many people in my MMO! I don't know them all and so they're probably bad."

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Katahn
04.26.2012 , 05:55 AM | #234
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
If there were only super-servers like that, I can imagine the complaints would still come in only instead of Cross-Server being the cause of all evil, it would be "There are too many people in my MMO! I don't know them all and so they're probably bad."
That's a mischaracterization of the anti-cross-server complaints I think, although if you were joking I can understand the frustration.

It is true that part of the problem of cross-server is you get a very large pool of people for the "jerks to hide in". But by itself that isn't the objection - at least not in my case anyway.

All of the horror stories of xserver PUGs from other games essentially derive from the fact that you can't really (or couldn't as of the last time I dealt with them) form lasting friendships over multiple play sessions with anyone. You see by doing that you eventually could build up a vibrant list of "good players" from which to form your groups, or find a guild to join to tackle multi-group content. It would allow you to eventually reach a point where even if you had to use the tool to PUG someone in they would be the minority and you could get rid of them if they proved to be truly catastrophic.

Lacking the ability to do any of that in the cross-server tools when I was in those games you were permanently stuck in the "no quality control" mode of PUGing. Worse due to the high probability you wouldn't be grouped with anyone from your server there was no meeting cool people to guild with (either to invite them or be invited by them). Sure you could join a "pickup guild" by asking about it in /trade in one of the WoW cities - but compared to finding the guild by playing with them approach this was lacking in quality control as well.

Group the servers together by type, allow for cross-server friending of specific characters, allow for cross-server communication and group forming, and allow for free transfers to other servers of the same type and I would absolutely be on board with a cross-server tool. Of course at this point it really wouldn't be a cross-server tool at all... it would be a single-server tool with the actual servers being little more than "channels" that characters live in for a time.
Katahn
- Just an aging geek that remembers seeing Ep4 in the theater as a kid and knows that Han shot first!

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chaosdefined
04.26.2012 , 05:58 AM | #235
I was only partly joking. People will hate something for the sake of hating.

There are so many horror stories about Cross Server because those complaining will makes themselves ten times louder than anyone giving praise.

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MajikMyst
04.26.2012 , 06:04 AM | #236
Quote: Originally Posted by tkinnunzero View Post
This was answered already, so let me ask you:

If every server had been merged into just one server, would you still be against cross-server LFG?
Ummm?? Is that a trick question?? If all the servers are merged into one server.. Why would need or how could have a cross server LFG system??

I don't think we need a cross server LFG either.. For the reasons that myself and others have stated..
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MajikMyst
04.26.2012 , 06:07 AM | #237
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
I was only partly joking. People will hate something for the sake of hating.

There are so many horror stories about Cross Server because those complaining will makes themselves ten times louder than anyone giving praise.
Your denial doesn't make any of those horror stories any less true.. Many people disagree with you for a reason.. We all lived through the catastrophy on WOW.. You blowing us off and calling us haters doesn't change the facts or the truth..

A cross server LFG system has the potential to do some real harm to the game.. It also isn't good for the community..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

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chaosdefined
04.26.2012 , 06:11 AM | #238
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Ummm?? Is that a trick question?? If all the servers are merged into one server.. Why would need or how could have a cross server LFG system??

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So that went a bit over your head huh?

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chaosdefined
04.26.2012 , 06:11 AM | #239
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post

A cross server LFG system has the potential to do some real harm to the game.. It also isn't good for the community..
Oh the humanity!! Won't somebody please think of the community?!

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MajikMyst
04.26.2012 , 06:15 AM | #240
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
So that went a bit over your head huh?
Not at all.. Sorry you missed the humor in it..
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