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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Meldwyn
04.11.2012 , 12:03 PM | #651
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Ok, if your apparent evidence of a Blizz Dev saying that the Cross Server LFG was bad and a mistake was supposedly deleted by us (I still don't get how?) then all you gotta do is repost it.

Go on, link it again.
That sounds fishy.. Because Ghostcrawler has admitted that the players like the LFG tool in his post mortem for Cataclysm. Who would know better?
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Erasimus
04.11.2012 , 12:07 PM | #652
The pluses and minuses for cross sever LFG group tool are, to me, not much different from any PuG.

No one will be forced to use it. Saying that its very existence will make people use it is nonsense. I've played WoW since release, and still do. I run heroics and raids with friends, guildies, and using the LFG/LFR tool. It depends on who is on and which of my characters I'm playing. I like the flexibility of having all of them available.

If you have a guild/friends then getting a group together shouldn't present huge difficulties. If you don't have enough friends or aren't in a guild and only want to run with people on your server, well that could present a problem. I'd still maintain that a PuG is a PuG whether it is cross server or single server and all PuGs have similar issues.

I wasn't able to play WoW for a while. When I came back I was able to do every one of the new Raids within 3 days on my Main using the LFR tool. I also ran normal and hard mode raids with my Guild and the experience from the LFR runs helped quite a bit.

Community? What community? I like a lot about this game, but it feels less like an MMO than any other MMO I've played in the last 8 years, and I've played a lot of them. I'm on a pretty well populated server, Dark Reaper, but it is rare to see more than 1 or 2 people in most quest areas when I'm on my alts. This is a relatively new game so this shouldn't be the case. I don't know if it is how they do instancing or what but I'd rather compete for quest mobs than feel like I'm playing a single player game.
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DigitalPrime
04.11.2012 , 12:12 PM | #653
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
It doesn't fix the problem.

No, I've never said that I don't want them. I've said that they don't fix the problems, which is true.

Nor am I aware of anyone else who's argued against them, other than bioware.

You're back to not making any sense.
circumspect = Wary and unwilling to take risks.

that doesn't make any sense in this context.

Yes

No, the 6 hour queues I ran into were, where I gave up were a new alt, and since I hadn't chatted in general with him or grouped, I couldn't have been on any ignore lists... so there just wasn't anyone queuing for dungeons in that level range at that time.

The multi hour looking for a dps was simply that there wasn't anyone available (we checked via /who and whispers); I had done some general chat on that toon (it was my main), but I find it really unlikely that I would have been on ignore for anything I had said (I was pretty helpful in general and level chat).

It was heavy, with queues in the evenings. When they enabled server transfers a few weeks later, you couldn't transfer to it, but you could transfer off of it.

as for "at the time" ... I haven't tracked the server populations in that game for months, so I've got no idea how it stacks up now. But that's not really relevant, since I'm talking about when that game still had only a single server lfg tool (which was back between 1.2 and 1.4 iirc)

You're making 0 sense. If they don't want to use it, and they don't, then they are indeed allowed the same content as other people.. They are allowed the exact same content. There's no difference in content allowed.


... No, I'm sure that anyone who wants to go fishing can do so. I can go to my house, and go into my garage and get my fishing pole and tackle box, put it in my car , and then dive out to a local lake and attach either a lure or bait to my fishing pole, and then fish. The fact that you don't enjoy fishing doesn't enter into it. Calling me names because I tell you "well, if you don't like to go fishing, don't go fishing"

Seriously... do you really not understand the text you're quoting?

There's no red herring involved. If you don't want to group cross server, there's always single server grouping.

You're not making any sense here; like... none.

You like cross server grouping but don't want to cross server group? How does that make any sense?

No, my long term desires include lots of people who also share similar long term desires.

It's in each of the specific counter examples that people have made.

I don't write the game code; if you want bioware to make changes, you'll need to talk to them.

I've never suggested anything like that, so this is just a strawman argument.

No, you haven't; every single one you've offered has been refuted with specific counter examples. Feel free to try again, or post a link to one that hasn't been refuted.

No, there were several specific mathematical examples.

Nope. You have yet to show that any of your concerns are real. Feel free to try if you want to.

Nope. You have yet to show that any of your concerns are real. Feel free to try if you want to. But until you do, the very real, mathematical examples of benefits outweight any pretend examples that you have yet to actually produce.

I don't write game code for swtor; if you want changes made, you'll need to talk to bioware.



Yes.


You have more than 1 false statements in this sentence alone.

I don't have to allow anything. THey are allowed access "the same content" whether they use the cross server lfg tool or not.

I have not made any claim that you will only be able to get with the cross server lfg tool, so that's just a blatant strawman argument.

Sure we have. We've given you a cahnce to actually demonstrate that any of your complaints are valid. You choose not to do so.

No, you disagree, and have posted things that have been refuted. You were wrong because you were wrong, not because you disagreed with me.

I have done neither.

No, you flamed and threw around insults rather than actually debating, and as a result had your posts removed by the mods.


Because a few forum members claim something is refuted. And some say its not refuted. Why in your eyes is it refuted. Becuase you say so. Or a few other of the pro wow system clan say so. How does this make it so?

Maybe get off your high horse a little. And understand that everything in your brain is not correct or right to everyone outside of your head.

I know you think you are right, In your head you are right. But on the outside to others outside of the pro wow system clan it says otherwise.

So, instead of stating something making out is written in stone, maybe take a back seat and notice that other peoples opinions other then yours float around this forum and refute your claims. To them at least

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genealogymaster
04.11.2012 , 12:13 PM | #654
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
If everyone does that, we'll be back to the login Queue problems we had before and then a bunch of unused truly dead servers. In fact, lol, I could see that creating a perpetual cycle where people go back and forth (unless they say the hell with it and quit).
Why should I reroll, lose all my legacy for your narrowmindedness?

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genealogymaster
04.11.2012 , 12:15 PM | #655
Quote: Originally Posted by Exartess View Post
It is logical not narrow minded. If a general lack of people is the only thing impeading your progression then GO TO WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE instead of attempting to drag the entire game into the deadspace that you are trying to escape with XSLFG.
Sorry misquoted the other, why should reroll, lose my legacy because you're happy with your well populated server. There is no community to destroy.

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ferroz
04.11.2012 , 12:21 PM | #656
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
Because a few forum members claim something is refuted. And some say its not refuted. Why in your eyes is it refuted. Becuase you say so. Or a few other of the pro wow system clan say so. How does this make it so?
Post the thing(s) that you think haven't been refuted yet...

Why be so evasive instead of just posting your reasoning?

Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
Maybe get off your high horse a little.
What high horse?


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So, instead of stating something making out is written in stone, maybe take a back seat and notice that other peoples opinions other then yours float around this forum and refute your claims. To them at least
No, if it's only "To them at least" then you're talking about something that's subjective rather than objective. That's not a refutation.

to be honest, I'm really curious what claim you think that I've made that have been "refuted" ...

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Skirata_Kal
04.11.2012 , 12:24 PM | #657
Quote: Originally Posted by genealogymaster View Post
Sorry misquoted the other, why should reroll, lose my legacy because you're happy with your well populated server. There is no community to destroy.
LOL, glad I read the next post after the one where you quoted me. Consider yourself forgiven
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ferroz
04.11.2012 , 12:26 PM | #658
Quote: Originally Posted by genealogymaster View Post
Sorry misquoted the other, why should reroll, lose my legacy because you're happy with your well populated server. There is no community to destroy.
you know, you could go back and edit that post to "whoops, misquoted" or something like that.

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Bodah
04.11.2012 , 12:28 PM | #659
Good god. Give us Xserver lfg tool. The "Amish" can stick with there little community and not use it. The rest of us will indulge in the blessings of technology.
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Skirata_Kal
04.11.2012 , 12:30 PM | #660
Quote: Originally Posted by Bodah View Post
Good god. Give us Xserver lfg tool. The "Amish" can stick with there little community and not use it. The rest of us will indulge in the blessings of technology.
WINNER! LMAO!! Short, to the point, easy to remember and no credible counter argument!
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