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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Badhand
04.03.2012 , 09:58 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
There is in my guild. If any of my players act like jerks in our LFG runs ( and we do several together weekly ) they will be warned and if they persist..they will be removed from the guild. We "create" a honorable guild with our rules and standards. Those outside of it are easily dealt with using the ignore tool.
The behavior of your guild in no way affects a tool which is completely separate from your guild. Why do I have to explain this type of thing to adults?

You're actually helping to argue my point. You have a social group which uses the time-honored mechanism of peer pressure to keep jerks in line.

A LFG tool bypasses that.

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Valkirus
04.03.2012 , 09:59 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
Punish? Ey.... Oh the time issue again.

So, there should be no incentive to get in groups and be social without a do it all system? No rewards? sure lol
There is incentives to not use the LFG tool if you donot want to. You can stick with your guild runs and stay as socail as you want. There is nothing wrong with that. Plus did you read my post about the rewards for cross server LFG tool for raids in WoW not rewarding the best loot item levels? Or did you only see what you wanted to see?
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chaosdefined
04.03.2012 , 10:01 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
No..it is a very bad idea. Why punish players for not having hours on end to find a grp? In WoW..those who use the Looking for Raid tool, which is cross server..they donot get drops with items as high as the normal raids, but it does give them more then they can get in 5 man heroics. Plus they get to experence the End Game Content and get credit for doing so. Those who want to fluff up thier feathers and strut around with the "Heroic Deathwing Achievement" still get to.
I'm not saying punish players, I'm simply saying do not offer any extra rewards for using the LFG than you would get for grouping via your Guild or Chat. So you still get all the rewards from the Daily and FP missions, just no extra badges/loot/etc for having used the group finder.

That way the game isn't giving away free loot and you hopefully avoid those types of players who want to faceroll their way through a FP as quick as possible in order to get their daily amount of badges.

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Valkirus
04.03.2012 , 10:03 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Badhand View Post
The behavior of your guild in no way affects a tool which is completely separate from your guild. Why do I have to explain this type of thing to adults?

You're actually helping to argue my point. You have a social group which uses the time-honored mechanism of peer pressure to keep jerks in line.

A LFG tool bypasses that.
At the same time the LFG tool does not effect the community within my guild. And for socializing..they are the only ones I care about when it comes to that. So if you as a player do not find a guild and lets the rude and jerks in LFG runs spoil your fun and you fail to put them on ignore..who's fault is that?
Trust is something which is earned.

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JediPwnstar
04.03.2012 , 10:08 AM | #55
If you don't like a feature don't use it. There are features in plenty of games that I don't really care for, but I wouldn't make a statement for their removal. There's no way BioWare could ignore the majority of players' desire for a cross-server LFG tool. A lot of people are missing out on flashpoints and ops due to servers having such low populations.
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Skirata_Kal
04.03.2012 , 10:09 AM | #56
It's utterly nonsense for a modern MMO to not have a LFG feature. The "it kills community" argument is utter nonsense. WoW's community was a cesspool long before it had a LFG. Yes, some of my worst experiences in WoW occurred in LFG PuGs, but some of my best came from those as well (and most LFG groups were good). I also had some of my worst experiences in server only groups that formed via general chat. But as for SWTOR, How many MMO's are there where you post "LF1M dps operation/HM x then gtg" in general, and then get crickets as a response? Any other MMO I've played you'd be deluged with tells.

Guilds are great, and I lead a very fun one, but we're on a low pop server, so on those nights where our crazy schedules prevent us from getting a full group together, we're SOL and either log our alts or log off to do some other game/tv show etc. And limiting a LFG to just the server solves nothing. You may as well not have a LFG at that point. The only benefit that adds is giving you a chance to hook up with someone who's not on fleet.

Server merges would help, but they're a temporary band-aid fix at best. Server transfers would allow people to move to more populated servers but then the low pop servers would get even worse. Speaking of server transfers, I'll say this: My friends and I created a guild and were assigned to a specific server...which was completely unplayable! Yes, a one hour queue = unplayable. That forced us onto the server that we're on now. After that experience, there is no way I'm ever PAYING for a server transfer! Without a LFG, I can see my playing fade more and more. About all I do lately with my lvl 50 Scoundrel healer is run my wife's lowbies through heroics and similarly her Commando runs my lowbies through the same.

I love the game, don't get me wrong. The devs really deserve kudos. I simply would like to play it though instead of logging in and trying in vain to get a HM group together and then logging back out. This might be the first time I ever quit a game that I like...now how crazy is that? LOL.
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ferroz
04.03.2012 , 10:14 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
1) Dont tell me how i played or treated a game
I'm not. Are you familiar with the word "if" and what a statement means when someone says "if X then Y" ?

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2) dont follow up with a discussion saying i treated a game in a said way when i never said such things or did such things.
I'm saying I don't believe you, based on your perception of the game.

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3) read what I actually wrote
I did.
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and maybe comment on the social aspect.
I did that as well; I commented about the social aspect of the game: there wasn't a change between immediately before lfd and immediately lfd. You're insisting that lfd changed things but that's simply not the case. The stuff that you're blaming on lfd had been in the game for years.

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If you honestly didnt see the social side of wow or any other MMO and just sat there spamming.
Maybe you should take your own advice?

I did see the social side of wow... both before and after lfd. It was unchanged. Before lfd people weren't required to be social to group... and in fact, they often weren't. just as often as they were after lfd in fact. Before lfd people were often social in the game, both in and out of groups but less so in the latter case (they were busy actually playing rather than chatting); after lfd people were often social in the game, both in and out of groups but less so in the latter case (they were busy actually playing rather than chatting)

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I was a social MMO player, not a console matching making type of guy. Work it out!
That's a nice claim, but the rest of the stuff that you say doesn't support that.

The reality is: if you saw wow as a console style lobby game after lfd... well, that's only possible if that's how you treated the game. If you continued to treat it as a social game, like me, you would still have been able to socialize without any change. So I'm extremely skeptical about your claims of being a social MMO player.

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navarh
04.03.2012 , 10:15 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Badhand View Post
Insta-LFG tools reward antisocial a-holes for being antisocial a-holes. There is no up-side to being polite and getting to know your team in a social manner as is the expectation in a multi-player game. Likewise there is no punishment for being a ********.
yeah BW listen to this one, he is right!
say no to cross-server anything, PvE or PvP
it's kinda sad that wery soon i would not be able to expirence such good game that care about communities

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Skirata_Kal
04.03.2012 , 10:21 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by navarh View Post
yeah BW listen to this one, he is right!
say no to cross-server anything, PvE or PvP
it's kinda sad that wery soon i would not be able to expirence such good game that care about communities
Because SWTOR has a great and wonderful community now? LMAO!
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Darnu
04.03.2012 , 10:26 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Badhand View Post
Insta-LFG tools reward antisocial a-holes for being antisocial a-holes.

No it doesn't. It turns them into those people crying on the forums about getting repeatedly kicked from groups and/or reported.