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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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chaosdefined
04.10.2012 , 10:01 AM | #571
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterKayote View Post
They'd really be shooting themselves in the foot without it. Aion didnt have the server numbers that TOR has, neither did Rift IIRC. TOR had 1.7m at one point ... I think the highest I ever saw Rift was at around 1m. Either way it remains to be seen ... I dont think investors would prefer spending the $ maintaining such an excess amount of servers when the population would do just as well or better with less. Specially EA who isnt above pulling the plug completely.

Spamming isnt the issue. We can all agree (well, most of us) that an automated tool is needed. The issue is whether its Xserver or not.
Bioware answer to EA who answer to the investors. Therefore if they do server merges this early in the games life, there will be doomsayers everywhere decrying it as a sign that the game is dying, and the investors will not like this at all.

As for single-server group finder. The problem with that is the servers which are so low on population. It's not going to be much of a help to them, it's still a small pool of players and so would have difficulty getting many groups formed.

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Valkirus
04.10.2012 , 10:21 AM | #572
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
The tool does not have such an option unfortunately, and if you dont use it you have disadvantages like at wow with badges, instance locks etc.
You can use the LFG tool with all friends/guildies in the group and not lose any extra badges. I do it all the time and for your info..I do know the LFG tool was added in WOTLK....but if you are saying you are having or had long wait times in Cata...that has not been the case for me.
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Valkirus
04.10.2012 , 10:30 AM | #573
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
The tool was introduced at WOTLK, not at Cata.

You are saying to wait 40 min is better than not doing a dungeon at all, but tell me... how can you do a dungeon, if your group is not up for it? If you get into it, while they wipe at the last boss?

Its much better to be able to select your group members, in that way you have success. If you gamble your runs the outcome is open and at wow often was a wipe.
I have'nt had any major issues getting content done when using the tool. The positive and successful runs far out number the unsuccessful ones. I do the new Looking for Raid runs on 6 level 85's every week....both parts, inc the Fall of Deathwing. Do I occasionally get a bad grp? Yes for sure. But that is in the minority.

If it was'nt for the Looking for Raid tool WoW has, I would not be able to experence the end game content. Why? Because I want to play when the time is best for me and not have to resort to using addons, vent and mods to do it. The new Looking for Raid feature in WoW lets me accomplish that. This is what TOR needs also...badly.
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Skirata_Kal
04.10.2012 , 10:52 AM | #574
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
I have'nt had any major issues getting content done when using the tool. The positive and successful runs far out number the unsuccessful ones. I do the new Looking for Raid runs on 6 level 85's every week....both parts, inc the Fall of Deathwing. Do I occasionally get a bad grp? Yes for sure. But that is in the minority.

If it was'nt for the Looking for Raid tool WoW has, I would not be able to experence the end game content. Why? Because I want to play when the time is best for me and not have to resort to using addons, vent and mods to do it. The new Looking for Raid feature in WoW lets me accomplish that. This is what TOR needs also...badly.
I concur! I quit WoW shortly after Cata came out so I never got to try the raid finder, but the LFD tool definitely opened up the game for my alts like Vanilla and BC never could have (even with a good guild sometimes your schedule just doesn't work out) and it also brought back many of my friends who quit during BC. There is quite a bit in WoW that I do NOT want to see in this game, but the xserver LFD tool and raid finder were good things they did right that frankly any MMO from here on out needs to have. The "community killing" argument simply has no merit.
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chaosdefined
04.10.2012 , 10:58 AM | #575
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
I concur! I quit WoW shortly after Cata came out so I never got to try the raid finder, but the LFD tool definitely opened up the game for my alts like Vanilla and BC never could have (even with a good guild sometimes your schedule just doesn't work out) and it also brought back many of my friends who quit during BC. There is quite a bit in WoW that I do NOT want to see in this game, but the xserver LFD tool and raid finder were good things they did right that frankly any MMO from here on out needs to have. The "community killing" argument simply has no merit.
I tried out the LFR and after hearing so many horror stories and cries on the WoW Forums similar to the anti-LFG crowds, I was really worried I'd have a terrible time in it.

First time in it, the Hunter headpiece token drops, another Hunter wins it then whispers me "Do you want it?" and so just gives me it. Finished the run with no problems.

In fact I never had a problem with it the entire time I used it for weeks on all my alts.

But maybe that was just me being the only lucky person to ever have a good run on something cross server

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ferroz
04.10.2012 , 11:03 AM | #576
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterKayote View Post
You complain that not having xserver is ruining your experience so you argue that others should be ruined by having one.
No, that's not true at all; the complaint is that the lack of groups is ruining people's experience; the corollary claims are that having xserver would fix that particular problem (and other problems related to server population based on specifics of implementation), and that it doesn't actually ruin anyone's experience, you're just blaming it for things that it didn't actually cause.

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There is just no other viable solution.
Correct, adding cross server is the only way I'll be able to play with people on other servers without having to relocate.

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Stop trying to downplay it as if they were just cropped out of thin air, youre not successfully proving or dismissing any of it by doing so. Absence of proof is not proof of absense.
The onus to prove that the problem exists is on the person claiming that it exists.


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It didnt start going to the crapper until BC.
So... years before they added xserver lfd it went to the crapper?

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If you didnt do those dungeons you were stuck in green gear you got 10 levels ago.
Which didn't impact your ability to continue soloing at all...

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Hmm ... go into the space station and hope to find a good group ... or enjoy questing at some planet then get some blue moddables at the end of it anyway?
xserver lfg allows people to do both.

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There are MANY other solutions to this that will keep the community together.
No, there really aren't. There are a couple of temporary bandaid solutions, but none of them fix the problem except for tearing down the artificial server walls (ie: cross server grouping)

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RachelAnne
04.10.2012 , 11:25 AM | #577
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
It does have the option to not use it though.

The second part is one reason why I would prefer that the group finder offered no extra rewards to using it than are currently ingame for running a flashpoint.
There is also the option to be nice and add people to your friend list, move server or join a guild if you struggle with finding groups

Yet you ignore all those and demand a tool.

I definately think that having a tool to help is fine, but not having a tool that kills everything that MMO´s are about.

The wow tool is such a bad designed tool, you get people you dont know, you cant coop before the run, like choosing specs, you cant discuss loot rules before, you cant discuss how the run should be done (fast & skippy / slow & full)...

There are way too many different people playing this game, you just wont always have people like you in your groups.

There are games which have much better tools for finding players, thats what BW should copy - but not the wow tool which is so badly designed.



People should be able to get somekind of "reputation" so that if you are a good player and friendly, you meet people who are like that as well. Rude behaivour should not benefit players like it does at wow, where as more rude someone is, as more success he has. No it should be a punishment.

LoL has a group finding system, where people can chat for over a minute before the game starts. In that time you can see if you want to play with those people or not. Also you get a higher reputation if you win - so that you will be able to skip the rude people sooner or later.

Nobody should be forced to play with people he / she doesnt want to. But a LFG tool does exactly this.

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Skirata_Kal
04.10.2012 , 11:45 AM | #578
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
Nobody should be forced to play with people he / she doesnt want to. But a LFG tool does exactly this.
Noone is forced to use the LFG tool in WoW. I know people who refused to use it. They still formed guild groups or linked up with friends. In fact, you can form your own PuG and then use the LFG as a group if you want. Or you can form your group and then travel together to the instance old school style if you want.

The accountability argument just doesn't work either. Before WoW had LFG if you reported someone as a ninja, you would get reported for reporting. It was worse to be a whistleblower than a ninja on some servers. As I recall, when using LFG you could only NEED on items your toon could use. With further refinements, you could eliminate ninja-ing pretty much which is where most of the drama seemed to come from (the rest came from dps meters which we don't currently have in game which is another topic altogether).
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ferroz
04.10.2012 , 11:47 AM | #579
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
The wow tool is such a bad designed tool, you get people you dont know,
This is what happens when you pug with people, and has nothing to do with the tool. This isn't a downside: it's one of the features that I'm looking for.

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you cant coop before the run, like choosing specs,
Yes you can; I've on several occasions swapped out specs with someone (particularly when I wound up as dps on my priest alt, since I preferred to heal on him)

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you cant discuss loot rules before,
Sure you can, though it does lock you into a specific superset of loot rules, meaning that the loot rules you decide on aren't enforced by the game.

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you cant discuss how the run should be done (fast & skippy / slow & full)...
Sure you can, I did this every time I was tanking (since I determine the speed when Tanking) and most of the time when not tanking.

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There are way too many different people playing this game, you just wont always have people like you in your groups.
and?

I'm actually social, so I'm good with this. I don't need to surround myself with a clique or clones of myself.

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There are games which have much better tools for finding players, thats what BW should copy - but not the wow tool which is so badly designed.
You haven't actually said anything about the tool that is badly designed.

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Orizuru
04.10.2012 , 11:54 AM | #580
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
There is also the option to be nice and add people to your friend list, move server or join a guild if you struggle with finding groups

Yet you ignore all those and demand a tool.

I definately think that having a tool to help is fine, but not having a tool that kills everything that MMO´s are about.

The wow tool is such a bad designed tool, you get people you dont know, you cant coop before the run, like choosing specs, you cant discuss loot rules before, you cant discuss how the run should be done (fast & skippy / slow & full)...

There are way too many different people playing this game, you just wont always have people like you in your groups.

There are games which have much better tools for finding players, thats what BW should copy - but not the wow tool which is so badly designed.



People should be able to get somekind of "reputation" so that if you are a good player and friendly, you meet people who are like that as well. Rude behaivour should not benefit players like it does at wow, where as more rude someone is, as more success he has. No it should be a punishment.

LoL has a group finding system, where people can chat for over a minute before the game starts. In that time you can see if you want to play with those people or not. Also you get a higher reputation if you win - so that you will be able to skip the rude people sooner or later.

Nobody should be forced to play with people he / she doesnt want to. But a LFG tool does exactly this.
How does a LFG tool prevent you from forming your own groups with people you know in the same manner that you do now without the LFG tool?

How does the LFG tool prevent you from dropping group when you don't like the people you a paired with in a randomly formed group?