No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

So, you got to hear what a tiny fraction of 1% were saying... that doesn't really say anything about the game as a whole.

the dps outnumber the tanks; the tanks also run more dungeons per time unit because

• they get asked to run them for guildies for the fast queue, so wind up doubling up compared to some dps.
• they get instant queues and could run ~2 times (or more during wotlk) as many dungeons as a dps could in the same amount of time.

pretending to be aggrieved when someone points out that posting a blatant falsehood makes you look foolish doesn't actually help your counter argument.

Maybe you should have tried pugging a bit more

Myth, as folks have pointed out in dozens have posts.

Now, I played the game, grouped, raided and never once heard that saying until a few months after LFG. The reason it was not was reputation. There were consequences for one's actions and people had a choice as to who they grouped with. Unless you can prove conclusively that this attitude existed before the LFG then we have to consider this conjecture.

I can easily prove that the attitude existed before LFG. I remember running heroics in BC, long before LFG was implemented, and seeing people get booted from the instance because they had too little hp. I remember seeing people whine and call you a bad tank if you pulled a single extra trash mob in Slave Pens. I remember rogues needing on cloth, hunters needing on throwing weapons, and every single example of bad behavior that you mention. I remember people leaving groups after a single wipe. I remember people starting up PuG raids and having the group leader ninja all the gear. I remember people stealing raid lockouts by inviting someone, switching it to raid real fast and then walking into a half-cleared karazhan. I remember all sorts of horrendous jerk behavior that was never seriously curtailed by the 'community.' LFG didn't turn people into jerks. They were already jerks.

Remember "Leroy Jenkins"? Was that pre or post-lfg? Isn't that the quintessential example of a dps being too impatient to wait for the tank, facepulling and wiping everyone? Part of the reason it was so famous was because that stuff happened to enough people to make it a common experience for just about anyone.

See, for every post on the forums about how people are getting worse behavior and worse groups post-LFG, you had posts (and actual experiences) like http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1021053154


Why the discrepancy between perceptions? Because of confirmation bias. If you already think that LFG is a bad thing, you'll remember the bad experiences more and forget the smooth running groups. If you think it's a good thing, you'll remember the good groups and forget that one bad run you had last week.

True, but you must first prove them "blatently false" beyond your assumption. You did not. That is why I reproved you.

The rest of your argument is more or less conjecture.

My point is that LFG will not solve the problem that you and others are arguing that it will. It's been proven. It will cause more problems then it will solve. That has been proven. All the cometary in the world will not change that.

LFG is just a lazy, instant gratification tool for exactly the type that will be the cause of the problems that will result. In short, they are demanding their own petri dish from which to fester and grow.

The way to solve the problem is to motivate people to group. In short, make it worth it. The reason it was hard to group when leveling is because there was no advantage to it. It took more time, gave less rewards, and less experience. The reason it was easys to get HMs is because they were worth it.

There are far better ways to accomplish the goal here. Server mergers and transfers to increase population levels. Sever wide LFG tool. Universal summoning. Create an environment of reward that will motivate players to group. Intertwine the crafting system with dungeon grouping. Create a more defined means of progression.

Doing that will both solve the problem and enhance the game. Cross server LFG is a canard. It is a short cited and lazy band-aide fix that will eventually deteriorate rather then enhance the community overall.

Again, you have written alot but said nothing beyond unsubstantiated argument in light of existing data with few veiled insults. I'm not interested in your cometary or your opinion of me.

Prove your case, as all I'm hearing is "it will make it better". How? Demonstrate exactly how you will solve the many problems that occurred as a result. Demonstrate exactly how you would maintain the grouping environment, insure we had the tanks necessary, and exactly how you would correct the many problems that existed as a result of the first failed attempt at the inclusion of the tool in a game of this type, including the behavior that is supported.

Now, I played the game, grouped, raided and never once heard that saying until a few months after LFG. The reason it was not was reputation. There were consequences for one's actions and people had a choice as to who they grouped with. Unless you can prove conclusively that this attitude existed before the LFG then we have to consider this conjecture.

Again, you have written alot but said nothing beyond unsubstantiated argument in light of existing data with few veiled insults. I'm not interested in your cometary or your opinion of me.

Demonstrate exactly how you will solve the many problems that occurred as a result.

Demonstrate exactly how you would maintain the grouping environment,

insure we had the tanks necessary,

and exactly how you would correct the many problems that existed as a result of the first failed attempt at the inclusion of the tool in a game of this type, including the behavior that is supported.

True, but you must first prove them "blatently false" beyond your assumption. You did not. That is why I reproved you.

My point is that LFG will not solve the problem that you and others are arguing that it will.

The way to solve the problem is to motivate people to group.

The reason it was hard to group when leveling is because there was no advantage to it.

Server mergers and transfers to increase population levels.