No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

Really? And how would said person know who's a good tank from their server if they never ran with them before? You're going under the assumption that a Tank friend was already made. What about people who haven't made that contact yet? New players, players who've been lvling solo mostly, even the less social people. How will they group with that friend tank to queue in LFG if they don't got one? How are they going to find one to queue with after your cross server LFG is implemented if they never get to run with one only with tanks from other servers?

Could we avoid irrelevant and ad hominem attacks like this please? It adds nothing to the discussion and detracts from the very real and very valid points being made.


So far, from what I can gather from the discussion, the argument seems to be breakign down like this:

Anti Cross-Server side is against cross-server LFG for two basic reasons:
1. Being grouped with people from other servers will not allow server-side peer pressure to punish wrongdoers.
2. Being grouped with people from other servers will not allow the formation of long-lasting friendships and links with the people they get grouped with.

Pro Cross-server is for cross-server LFG for two basic reason:
1. The many low population servers do not currently have enough people for everyone to get in a group, especially at non-prime times.
2. Implementing a broken system that you know won't fix the problem is just a waste of time.

Most of the debate seems to revolve around either supporting or refuting one of these four basic arguments.

Anyone from either camp have any extra arguments to add to these? If not, maybe we can discuss each of these in depth and try to find either find a solution that address everyone's concerns, or at least argue coherently and logically.

Yes, there is another topic that I had brought up, but the X-Server LFG camp attacked me on it. It was when I brought up Server Mergers and was told point blank NO! WE DON'T WANT SERVER MERGERS, WE WANT (NEED) X-SERVER LFG NOW!

That put a twist on things. Not wanting to have enough people on your server to be able to do "the same content" as the guilds without having to look to other servers. Why? They never said or gave any reason, just they want the X-Server LFG.

I did come up with a complete compromise for everybody, mostly anyways, if there is a X-Server LFG tool added.

Guilds get their runs and the loot, tokens, and whatever same as they do now from BW.

X-Server LFG same as guilds, no extra incentives added in to group.

Solo people, should get scaled version so "They Can Experience The Same Content" as the others. It is scaled so they get the same basic treatment, no extras.

If everyone claims BW should not have released the game without all the LFG/X-Server LFG/Add-ons/Macros/Rage Timers/Meters/ and Parsers et.al. then a scalable OP/FP run is easy to mix in as well. I'm sure they (BW) won't mind any.

And the reason you must accommodate the solo person/s is because they may be those against X-Server LFG in the first place and not in a guild either.

Actually we didn't say no to Server Merges. Bioware did. They were against it when asked in a Q&A. The problem is if they were to do server merges so early into the games life, EA's investors would see this as a sign that the game was dying - whether true or not, that's how they would view it - and thus TOR would begin to lose backing. It sucks but it's how it goes. Even if it would help the game.

Also, I did state earlier in this thread about not adding any extra incentives for using the LFD tool, and just keeping the daily quests that you get currently.

Yes, your pro X-Server faction did say no to server mergers when I mentioned them. Instead I was told only X-Server LFG would do, and server mergers were not wanted.

It is in this thread, and now I am supposed to do the searching for that proof? Will you accept that proof when I link the thread post? Or will it be denied as not viable, even though it is from these very forums? I ask, because I would really hate to waste my time on getting even more proof (as I have before) and just having it waylaid or dismissed even when it is stated in print (well like other evidence I posted that disappeared).

Single server dungeon finder will be in 1.3.

I agree totally with 1 and 2, and that process of looking for a group should be automated.

For 3 however, if you have CROSS SERVER dungeon finder, vote kicking from groups will happen more frequently, due to no consequences. All manner of disruptive behavior will happen because they are from another server and they don't suffer any consequences.

So you would rather people sit around for 1+ hours just to find a single group for an ops?

#1 I am on one of the highest population servers and I have waited 35+ minutes for a simple Esseless group. I just don't get why people like you want to PUNISH those of us who just want to play this game and do it in a timely fashion.

#2 Community is so over-rated that is what a guild is for, and I don't want to wait 35+ minutes for a simple group.

while i agree with u right now some servers are so lacking in population they need to either merge servers or this.