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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Touchbass
04.05.2012 , 03:05 PM | #411
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
Then you should do your research before you run your mouth.

http://torwars.com/2012/02/25/swtor-...-most-popular/

That or else you're basically saying that the people at BW are liars.
I've done my research, I work in Market Research. Bioware doesn't do Market Research, they contract their research out to 3rd parties who inform Bioware of their results of their surveying and data collection methods. The same Market Research company told Bioware that they had 3-4 months till people would be in such high volumes at 50. That is why Bioware thought they could get away without a strong dungeon finder off the bat. So that company is a bunch of morons.

I'm not saying the research is lying, it's how it's represented. Saying people play 4-6 hours on average is different then saying playing 4-6 every time. There is no way people play 4-6 hours on average from Monday-Thursday, it's not just possible. I forget sometimes that people don't have my background so I have to explain somethings sometimes. Hope that clears it up.
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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Orizuru
04.05.2012 , 03:06 PM | #412
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Way too nitpicky, which is in line with the cross-server camp.

In the lack of extensive research, the only way to prove that cross-server LFD has a harmful effect on the community is based on the experience of other people.

So now you've gone from proof requires extensive research to personal opinion to other people's opinions.

I'm not being nitpicky. I'm trying to understand your point of view. It's very challenging though because you have been waffling for more than a few pages now.

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Skirata_Kal
04.05.2012 , 03:06 PM | #413
Quote: Originally Posted by Bluerodian View Post
A cross realm LFG and LFR isn't going to kill the community because you can't kill what doesn't exist. This game has no community. Just a large mob of unfocused individuals.
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Touchbass
04.05.2012 , 03:07 PM | #414
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
How do you even know you play this game less hours than I?
I've barely logged in for weeks like the rest of my friends, lol. I think that's a fairly reasonable premise.
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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Vlaxitov
04.05.2012 , 03:15 PM | #415
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
I've barely logged in for weeks like the rest of my friends, lol. I think that's a fairly reasonable premise.
I'd say were in that same boat then and if the game was good enough aside from there being x-server lfg or not, would that be the case? I know I can honestly say that if it had x-server and was still really good despite that, I would play more and re up my sub.

You said you had your way with Rift yet that time you claim is soo valuable to you is being spent arguing about having your way with SWTOR instead of playing Rift. Looks like you didn't really get your way with Rift.

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Vlaxitov
04.05.2012 , 03:18 PM | #416
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
I'm not saying the research is lying, it's how it's represented. Saying people play 4-6 hours on average is different then saying playing 4-6 every time. There is no way people play 4-6 hours on average from Monday-Thursday, it's not just possible. I forget sometimes that people don't have my background so I have to explain somethings sometimes. Hope that clears it up.
On the other hand you're not misreprenting anything when saying the guys at the guild summit "look like they play 5-6 hours a day" when you don't know for a fact that they do right? I would challenge you to give me reason to play this game 5-6 hours a day even if that was what you were into.

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Craixis
04.05.2012 , 03:24 PM | #417
Personally, I hate the idea of X server LFG.
I understand it allows people to run more, but at the same time, you're not able to limit who you get grouped with.
Now, back in WoW, I used to play a Hunter before the LFD showed up. I ended up finding a guild I loved to hang with because there wasn't any cross server #$^%, I leveled up in a friend's guild which happened to fall apart when I got to 80.
When I joined UC, I was able to show how I could handle raids, I learned quickly and I knew my class (to the point where I was doing things that barely got us through a few boss fights). I would've never gotten into UC had they not been looking for PuGs in trade chat (nor would there be a point of me caring if I did meet them in a random raid, as they may not have been on my server in the first place).
Skip to Cataclysm, my Hunter has yet to make it through a Random Heroic PuG without a guildie there...

That being said, my warrior (a tank), after he got to 85 was running and clearing Heroic dungeons non-stop. He, in a week, was decked out in better gear then my hunter was in 3 months, just because I could control whether or not the group would fall apart.
I loved playing my hunter more, but if the tank left, then good luck finding a new one who will help you through the dungeon, as the waits were 30 minutes long (and more often then not the tank left right after the boss). The closest I came to finishing a non guild PuG run was in Grim Batol, where the other DPS wouldn't focus down the adds on the final fight and would try to out DPS the boss (which, if you know the fight, the Adds massively heal the boss a few seconds after reaching their destination).
Now, I was on a relatively small server (Thunderhorn)... I am not a fan of the idea of X server LFG vs Server Side LFG. If I can see a guy on my server is good, and not in a guild, I could potentially recruit him, to run with him again. If I find a guy like that on another server, what good does that do me?

There's 2 sides to every coin, sure I could try to run 10 dungeons a night if I wanted to, but as I said, while doing that, my hunter has never seen the end of a PuG group, EVER... I have to run with Guildies to get him gear (and there was much guild drama which caused a split which just so happen to hit when I was without internet for a very long time). On my tank, no problems whatsoever, because people would stay around as long as I stayed... but there are many who aren't that committed, and that's the major problem I have with the group finder overall. It doesn't matter that I get into more groups, if the group never finishes an instance, then what's the $#^%in' point? Leveling up I never had a problem with it, I'll be honest, the lower level content wasn't difficult, so people were willing to truck through it. But Heroics?

There's no reason for people to stay in the group after LFD finds a group, at least server side you can /ignore the person or warn your guildies about them, but X server, you can't do jack... You see them again you may have to regroup, which takes another half an hour of your time. You may end up like my Hunter and have to be shelved because people aren't willing to reach the end of an instance... and this is supposed to make the game better?

LFD killed WoW for me, really... I'm not saying I wouldn't want a LFG, but at the same time I want people who get in the group to be willing to commit to reach the end of the dungeon. If you're not willing to commit, it hurts me and others who might have limited time to play as it is (really, the Dungeon Finder did NOT help me in any regards for trying to find groups and see content, and talking with other DPS guildies, it was the same way if they ran alone). In order for me to see content, I HAD to level up a tank (which was in low supply at the time), which took time and effort (and ultimately, I love playing Arms more then Prot... Bladestorm OP). If I play a game, I want to PLAY the game, I don't want it to feel like a second job, and LFD has been nothing but stress for me.
Really, if the content isn't brain dead easy, then X Server LFG is a terrible idea, as people will play the blame game and leave group at the drop of a dime if they can't get carried through it with no effort. I would like the idea of having to commit to a group to finish content, but there is no good solution to keep people wanting to stay with a group that isn't amazingly over geared or running the dungeon with no effort. I can't count the number of guys I had to kick when I was a tank because they were raging so hard at everyone in the group when we wiped (I'd rather a bad player with a good additude then a good player whose a *******).

That's the sense of Community people want, not "oh we're all brothers" or stuff like that, but knowing the people you're with are willing to stick it out if you're making progress. Or knowing which tanks are willing to run with newer or not as amazing players, or who can seemingly do the impossible (Suntreader is a tank in my guild whose known as one of the better tanks in Thunderhorn. He was already raid geared by the time my hunter hit 85, problem is he works shift work, and often wasn't on when I was on. He could solo the second boss in Grim Batol from half HP in Heroic, he taught me everything to know about playing my warrior, etc. He's an amazing guy, and I met him because he was on my server). The point is, I want to know I can trust the people I'm with, or if I can't, have some way not to see them again, X server, it's impossible.
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Kucerakov
04.05.2012 , 03:30 PM | #418
Quote: Originally Posted by Craixis View Post
Personally, I hate the idea of X server LFG.
I understand it allows people to run more, but at the same time, you're not able to limit who you get grouped with.
Now, back in WoW, I used to play a Hunter before the LFD showed up. I ended up finding a guild I loved to hang with because there wasn't any cross server #$^%, I leveled up in a friend's guild which happened to fall apart when I got to 80.
When I joined UC, I was able to show how I could handle raids, I learned quickly and I knew my class (to the point where I was doing things that barely got us through a few boss fights). I would've never gotten into UC had they not been looking for PuGs in trade chat (nor would there be a point of me caring if I did meet them in a random raid, as they may not have been on my server in the first place).
Skip to Cataclysm, my Hunter has yet to make it through a Random Heroic PuG without a guildie there...

That being said, my warrior (a tank), after he got to 85 was running and clearing Heroic dungeons non-stop. He, in a week, was decked out in better gear then my hunter was in 3 months, just because I could control whether or not the group would fall apart.
I loved playing my hunter more, but if the tank left, then good luck finding a new one who will help you through the dungeon, as the waits were 30 minutes long (and more often then not the tank left right after the boss). The closest I came to finishing a non guild PuG run was in Grim Batol, where the other DPS wouldn't focus down the adds on the final fight and would try to out DPS the boss (which, if you know the fight, the Adds massively heal the boss a few seconds after reaching their destination).
Now, I was on a relatively small server (Thunderhorn)... I am not a fan of the idea of X server LFG vs Server Side LFG. If I can see a guy on my server is good, and not in a guild, I could potentially recruit him, to run with him again. If I find a guy like that on another server, what good does that do me?

There's 2 sides to every coin, sure I could try to run 10 dungeons a night if I wanted to, but as I said, while doing that, my hunter has never seen the end of a PuG group, EVER... I have to run with Guildies to get him gear (and there was much guild drama which caused a split which just so happen to hit when I was without internet for a very long time). On my tank, no problems whatsoever, because people would stay around as long as I stayed... but there are many who aren't that committed, and that's the major problem I have with the group finder overall. It doesn't matter that I get into more groups, if the group never finishes an instance, then what's the $#^%in' point? Leveling up I never had a problem with it, I'll be honest, the lower level content wasn't difficult, so people were willing to truck through it. But Heroics?

There's no reason for people to stay in the group after LFD finds a group, at least server side you can /ignore the person or warn your guildies about them, but X server, you can't do jack... You see them again you may have to regroup, which takes another half an hour of your time. You may end up like my Hunter and have to be shelved because people aren't willing to reach the end of an instance... and this is supposed to make the game better?

LFD killed WoW for me, really... I'm not saying I wouldn't want a LFG, but at the same time I want people who get in the group to be willing to commit to reach the end of the dungeon. If you're not willing to commit, it hurts me and others who might have limited time to play as it is (really, the Dungeon Finder did NOT help me in any regards for trying to find groups and see content, and talking with other DPS guildies, it was the same way if they ran alone). In order for me to see content, I HAD to level up a tank (which was in low supply at the time), which took time and effort (and ultimately, I love playing Arms more then Prot... Bladestorm OP). If I play a game, I want to PLAY the game, I don't want it to feel like a second job, and LFD has been nothing but stress for me.
Really, if the content isn't brain dead easy, then X Server LFG is a terrible idea, as people will play the blame game and leave group at the drop of a dime if they can't get carried through it with no effort. I would like the idea of having to commit to a group to finish content, but there is no good solution to keep people wanting to stay with a group that isn't amazingly over geared or running the dungeon with no effort. I can't count the number of guys I had to kick when I was a tank because they were raging so hard at everyone in the group when we wiped (I'd rather a bad player with a good additude then a good player whose a *******).

That's the sense of Community people want, not "oh we're all brothers" or stuff like that, but knowing the people you're with are willing to stick it out if you're making progress. Or knowing which tanks are willing to run with newer or not as amazing players, or who can seemingly do the impossible (Suntreader is a tank in my guild whose known as one of the better tanks in Thunderhorn. He was already raid geared by the time my hunter hit 85, problem is he works shift work, and often wasn't on when I was on. He could solo the second boss in Grim Batol from half HP in Heroic, he taught me everything to know about playing my warrior, etc. He's an amazing guy, and I met him because he was on my server). The point is, I want to know I can trust the people I'm with, or if I can't, have some way not to see them again, X server, it's impossible.
First of all, no it isn't. If you ignore people in WoW you never get randoms with that person again, not that you would otherwise.

Second, instead of risking peopl eleaving before the end and wasting your time, you would rather go back to no lfg, and spend that time spamming general for a group and never kill even one boss? Super.

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Snoodmaster
04.05.2012 , 03:38 PM | #419
Quote: Originally Posted by Craixis View Post
Really, if the content isn't brain dead easy, then X Server LFG is a terrible idea, as people will play the blame game and leave group at the drop of a dime if they can't get carried through it with no effort.
You do realize that's a problem with the Cata difficulty curve right? Not cross-server LFG. Hard modes in SWTOR aren't hard enough for people to bail on without at least trying, and if they do, they won't care if its single server or cross-server. People bail when they don't think the run will be successful. It doesn't matter whether it's a single server group or a cross server group, if they are not likely to get the rewards they signed up for, they just won't put in the effort.

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That's the sense of Community people want, not "oh we're all brothers" or stuff like that, but knowing the people you're with are willing to stick it out if you're making progress. The point is, I want to know I can trust the people I'm with, or if I can't, have some way not to see them again, X server, it's impossible.
Again, even with a cross-server LFG, you can still do this. You can still run with tanks you know from your server and just pug in other people from other servers. And if there isn't any tank on your server willing to queue with you, then you wouldn't have a group at all anyway. Expanding the list of players you can group with does not decrease your options, it increases them.

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Touchbass
04.05.2012 , 03:39 PM | #420
Quote: Originally Posted by Kucerakov View Post
First of all, no it isn't. If you ignore people in WoW you never get randoms with that person again, not that you would otherwise.

Second, instead of risking peopl eleaving before the end and wasting your time, you would rather go back to no lfg, and spend that time spamming general for a group and never kill even one boss? Super.
If you play the X-LFD properly you'll always have a kick vote up for when you need it. Only once have I ever run into a situation where there where four guildies causing problems and only me. I still managed to kick the problem person, I know a few tricks. I was healing as a priest, so I sent up a kick vote for the tank saying "stupid fail priest", there buddies, much to their ire, kicked the tank thinking it was me. So yeah the system works fine if you aren't a douche. Yes you'll hear some nasty comments once in awhile but it's better then waiting around doing nothing.
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!