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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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Kucerakov
04.05.2012 , 02:23 PM | #381
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
It was not a valid proof, because there is no solid evidence that single-server cannot get the job done.
The nice fancy maths you made up is not proof. It's nice, but not proof.

The only proof that you can get, is by the time 1.3 comes, and many things could change by then, and single-server shows that it really cannot help groups at all. At least that person who posted Rift's single-server dungeon finder tried.

The thing however, is that I will still be here by then because I like the potential of the game and I will support this game and help it grow. You would probably be long gone by then.
If the scenario I provided does not make it valid, then nothing will. From now on you should just reply "No cross server lfg nananananananananan I'm not listening lalalalalalala"

1 tank + 2 healers + 7 dps + single server lfg tool = one group and 6 people not grouped.

1 tank + 2 healers + 7dps + cross server lfg tool = Between 3 and 10 groups and zero people left ungrouped.

End of story. Single server will not get it done.

Valid reason provided.

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Orizuru
04.05.2012 , 02:23 PM | #382
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
I have never used subs as evidence to show that LFD has a negative impact on the community. Such a proof doesn't exist, and would require extensive research.

The only way to prove the negative effect of LFD on the community would be, people's own personal experiences.


Some elaboration is required.

You just said that proof requires extensive research, then in the very next paragraphs stated that the only proof is personal experience. So which is it?

You're waffling.

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Kucerakov
04.05.2012 , 02:26 PM | #383
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
And the common sense that maybe the people at the summit who cheered for single-server group finder were not specifically handpicked for their single-server preferences, but by sheer chance of randomly picking them?

That maybe the devs did not secretly pick 50 people who like single-server on purpose to get them to cheer at everything they do, but rather, those 50 people cheer for single-server because it is indeed better than cross-server?

Ah yes, that common sense. Oh silly me, clearly the devs did hand-pick them. How can anyone argue against THAT common sense?
They were picked based upon the fact that they are the leaders of the 100some largest guilds in the game. 100some people with THE LEAST TROUBLE finding groups in the game. Are you seriously not getting that point? They WERE hand picked based upon criteria that makes them specifically biased against cross server vs same server lfg.

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Skirata_Kal
04.05.2012 , 02:27 PM | #384
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Exactly. Subs dropped because people didn't like Cata. Not necessarily because of dungeon finder.
Just as how, subs increase for patch 3.3 because the content to kill Arthas was released. That doesn't necessarily mean cross-server dungeon finder didn't kill the community. The number of complaints on the WoW forums concerning cross-server dungeon finder is proof that it isn't popular, not sub numbers from 3rd party sites.
Using the number of complaints on the WoW forums as evidence? LMAO! I guess every class (except the one I'm playing) should be nerfed to the ground and every fight, even level one mobs should be buffed (after I've finished of course) and only the top 10 people in Arena should get any gear at all. And it should take 5 years to get the mats for a blue item to craft. LMAO!

Actually, I've always secretly thought the release of the Kaluak Fishing Derby in same patch is what did it...
Forum troll, former fanboy, later a "hater", recent returnee

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Skirata_Kal
04.05.2012 , 02:28 PM | #385
Quote: Originally Posted by Kucerakov View Post
If the scenario I provided does not make it valid, then nothing will. From now on you should just reply "No cross server lfg nananananananananan I'm not listening lalalalalalala"

1 tank + 2 healers + 7 dps + single server lfg tool = one group and 6 people not grouped.

1 tank + 2 healers + 7dps + cross server lfg tool = Between 3 and 10 groups and zero people left ungrouped.

End of story. Single server will not get it done.

Valid reason provided.
Doesn't matter, he'll still argue. He just loves the debate me thinks.
Forum troll, former fanboy, later a "hater", recent returnee

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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 02:34 PM | #386
Quote: Originally Posted by Kucerakov View Post
Every time you point to the guild summit video as "evidence" of anything other than the motivations of the leaders of the 100 largest guilds in the game, you remove another of the very few reasons to listen to anything you say. When you say it you say: "The people who need help finding groups the very least out of anyone don't need any help finding groups." There, now that I parsed it for you, you see how foolish it sounds, right?
Yes it does sound foolish, and that is because it is only something that can come out of you and is NO WHERE NEAR what I am trying to say.

"The people who need help finding groups the very least out of anyone, don't need any help finding groups."

This has absolutely nothing to do with whether they want to find groups or not. They do. Otherwise group-finder would never be suggested.

This is about single-server VS cross-server. They cheered at the single-server part. Because they know cross-server harms the community. They don't like cross server. They do need group finder to find groups, but they don't want cross-server.

You try to somehow paint those guild leaders who pay to play the same game as you as people who don't care about the plight of people on other servers. They don't even know you, they just want to know what's best for them and the game in general.

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Vlaxitov
04.05.2012 , 02:36 PM | #387
Quote: Originally Posted by Orizuru View Post
It could just as easily be argued that the drop in subs that followed was simple attrition from the fact that the game was started to get a little old and people were leaving from boredom.
This applies to all games all the time. MMOs churn subs, the stagnent areas in the graphs represent them picking up as many subs as their losing, the decline is losing more than they pick up, the increase is just as obvious. Secondly, if the game is getting old then why do soo many other mmo makers soo closely follow it's exact model?

Quote: Originally Posted by Orizuru View Post
This is the elephant in the room that both sides of this argument have been avoiding. You can't clearly show that any increase or decrease in subs was a direct result of the LFD. There simply isn't sufficient data to argue either direction.

The same can be said for how LFD impacted the community.
I can honestly say they began taking WoW towards a direction that wasn't conducive to me wanting to play it anymore around the time they were adding these other commercial features. They started playing it way too safe with the difficulty and we started seeing alot more "filler" content being added and degrading the overal depth and quality of the game. I feel as though they shifted from quality to quantity around this time. WoW's sub timeline represents when I lost interest in that game for those reasons I mentioned, not just because it got old. I go back and revisit other old games for fun, I'd never even consider it with WoW because it isn't the same and IMHO not near as quality of a game as it used to be.

Please know that I'm not speaking in blanket statements, I'm speaking for myself. No mmo maker that tries to herd me into an x-realm gaming environment is going to get my long term repeat business.

That being said, go ahead and add x-realm because this game has already makes those mistakes of being shallow and playing it way too safe. At least then they might try to do something like Rift did with master mode dungeons.

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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 02:37 PM | #388
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
Using the number of complaints on the WoW forums as evidence? LMAO! I guess every class (except the one I'm playing) should be nerfed to the ground and every fight, even level one mobs should be buffed (after I've finished of course) and only the top 10 people in Arena should get any gear at all. And it should take 5 years to get the mats for a blue item to craft. LMAO!

Actually, I've always secretly thought the release of the Kaluak Fishing Derby in same patch is what did it...
And we should have cross-server LFG based on a few people on the forums complaining at the lack of it? LMAO! I know, what a crazy idea!

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Touchbass
04.05.2012 , 02:37 PM | #389
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Yes it does sound foolish, and that is because it is only something that can come out of you and is NO WHERE NEAR what I am trying to say.

"The people who need help finding groups the very least out of anyone, don't need any help finding groups."

This has absolutely nothing to do with whether they want to find groups or not. They do. Otherwise group-finder would never be suggested.

This is about single-server VS cross-server. They cheered at the single-server part. Because they know cross-server harms the community. They don't like cross server. They do need group finder to find groups, but they don't want cross-server.

You try to somehow paint those guild leaders who pay to play the same game as you as people who don't care about the plight of people on other servers. They don't even know you, they just want to know what's best for them and the game in general.
If you looked at the panel there, All of them looked on the north side of 30+, those people don't represent the gaming community at all. They obviously spend 4-5+ hours a day playing SWTOR if not more, they aren't the demographic that needs SWTOR. They benefit most of not having a X-LFD cause it makes them demigods on their servers.
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 02:37 PM | #390
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
Doesn't matter, he'll still argue. He just loves the debate me thinks.
I could say the same thing for people who dismiss video evidence in favor of made up maths.