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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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DarthTHC
04.05.2012 , 01:13 PM | #311
You know, players are emotional and illogical on this issue.

Simple facts:
  • Players who enjoy playing flashpoints are, for the most part, screwed.
  • BioWare is implementing single-server LFG.
  • Single-server LFG will fail for players on the 80%+ of servers that aren't high population.
  • I've cancelled my subscription.
  • I'm a retard for subscribing for 6 months initially.
  • When I cancelled I told BW that the only reason was frustration getting FP groups.
  • Until my sub expires, I'll play the class stories I'm interested in.
  • And ignore the illogical, emotionally fueled rants in this thread.
  • If I can get a group in 15 minutes or less by mid July, I may reinstate my subscription.
  • Unless I'm playing another game by then.

I wonder how many players there are like me, who just can't take the frustration of tedious, unfun BS standing between us and playing an MMO.

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chaosdefined
04.05.2012 , 01:14 PM | #312
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
You're telling me that you don't have at least 4 level 50s during prime time? What are you still doing there?

A low population server is having difficult getting players together not because there are only 3 of you. There are heaps of level 50s on Dalborra, I just asked for a healer to do a flashpoint. I spammed in general chat. No replies. Then, I messaged someone from my friends list who is a healer, and who is also on the republic fleet. He didn't see my general chat message, maybe he missed it, maybe he was at the GTN, maybe he was afk. There are also heaps of 50s doing their own thing like dailies, PvP.

Single-server will be enough because it will eliminate all the problems of manual grouping that I listed above.

If there really are only 3 of you on your server, what in the world are you still doing there? The economy must be terrible with only 3 of you trading stuff.

It is more logical to assume, that your server is still somewhat alive to somehow keep you playing there and arguing hotly in here. If it is somewhat alive, that means there must be quite a few level 50s around. If there are quite a few level 50s, then a single-server dungeon finder would be enough.

I haven't hit level 50 yet actually.

Your logic is flawed I'm afraid. We've pointed out how, it's up to you now to accept this.

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DarthKhaos
04.05.2012 , 01:16 PM | #313
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
You know, players are emotional and illogical on this issue.

Simple facts:
  • Players who enjoy playing flashpoints are, for the most part, screwed.
  • BioWare is implementing single-server LFG.
  • Single-server LFG will fail for players on the 80%+ of servers that aren't high population.
  • I've cancelled my subscription.
  • I'm a retard for subscribing for 6 months initially.
  • When I cancelled I told BW that the only reason was frustration getting FP groups.
  • Until my sub expires, I'll play the class stories I'm interested in.
    [*]And ignore the illogical, emotionally fueled rants in this thread.
  • If I can get a group in 15 minutes or less by mid July, I may reinstate my subscription.
  • Unless I'm playing another game by then.

I wonder how many players there are like me, who just can't take the frustration of tedious, unfun BS standing between us and playing an MMO.
Perhaps you can re-submit your post without sounding like someone you said you would ignore.
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Kucerakov
04.05.2012 , 01:17 PM | #314
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
You're telling me that you don't have at least 4 level 50s during prime time? What are you still doing there?

A low population server is having difficult getting players together not because there are only 3 of you. There are heaps of level 50s on Dalborra, I just asked for a healer to do a flashpoint. I spammed in general chat. No replies. Then, I messaged someone from my friends list who is a healer, and who is also on the republic fleet. He didn't see my general chat message, maybe he missed it, maybe he was at the GTN, maybe he was afk. There are also heaps of 50s doing their own thing like dailies, PvP.

Single-server will be enough because it will eliminate all the problems of manual grouping that I listed above.

If there really are only 3 of you on your server, what in the world are you still doing there? The economy must be terrible with only 3 of you trading stuff.

It is more logical to assume, that your server is still somewhat alive to somehow keep you playing there and arguing hotly in here. If it is somewhat alive, that means there must be quite a few level 50s around. If there are quite a few level 50s, then a single-server dungeon finder would be enough.
This right here is the finest reason not to listen to anything you say, ever. It's an EXAMPLE . Wow.

Quote: Originally Posted by SithEater
ROFLMAO that's one of the dumbest thing I have ever read and that's saying something coming from a General Discussion thread. If you honestly believe that the people who make the game don't play it then there simply is no arguing intelligently beyond that point.
Do you SERIOUSLY think the devs know the game as well as the players? Why in the world did they have a beta then. Put it like this, could a mechanic beat a professional race car driver?

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Skirata_Kal
04.05.2012 , 01:18 PM | #315
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Do you have proof that single-server dungeon finder won't help low pop servers at all, and that ONLY cross-server can help?
I can see one small benefit to the single server LFG in that if you have some 50's on Ilum, fleet and Belsavis (or even on other planets for whatever reason) that it provides a way of forming a group without having to physically go to each planet and posting in general, so yes I'll concede there could be SOME benefit to it. On the other hand, many of us already go to those planets spamming LFG and are still not finding that last person for our groups so no, I'm not optimistic about it solving the low pop servers' problems.

I can also concede that creating a same server LFG could be a valid stepping stone to creating the X-Server LFG, but if they wait too long, they may find the low pop servers becoming more low pop and some of those may not come back even after x-server comes out in which case the change is too little too late (something WoW got bit by when it lost 2 million subs after Cata's release).
Forum troll, former fanboy, later a "hater", recent returnee

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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 01:18 PM | #316
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
No, afk people will be just as afk. It's kind of tautological

just FYI: invalid reasons given by dev's are still invalid reasons
How is a dev's reason, along with the approval of a lot of people at the guild summit invalid, other than "you say so"?

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Valid reason: A significant portion of the player base want it, and there is no valid argument against it.
That will only be a valid reason if you can offer proof to back up your claims that "a significant portion of the player base want it".

I can show you a video at least. Can you show me any shred of proof?

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Because they lit the applause sign?
Proof?

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because they're not representative of the player base?
And you are?

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because they think it's a step in the correct direction to have any lfg tool at all?
If that were true, they would cheer when Gabe said group-finder. But they cheered only after Gabe mentioned "single-server" afterwards.

Occam's razor suggests that the simplest reason is the most plausible one.

They cheer specifically at single-server because they want single-server, and not cross-server.

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You see what you want to see.
I agree.

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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 01:21 PM | #317
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
No we know you are the fool. And yes, a gamer knows better than a developer. That's incredibly obvious. Know the difference? The gamer PLAYS the game.
And I as a gamer, do not want cross-server and want single-server only. Not just me, but the people at the guild summit who play the game as well with numerous guildmates, also play the same game, and they don't want cross-server.

But somehow, you don't consider their opinions valid simply because they are, quote, hand-picked to be there, while you, a forum poster knows better.

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Vlaxitov
04.05.2012 , 01:22 PM | #318
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
Nah, that'd be 16 server types, and it can all be done with the 4 types we have now (pve, rp, pvp, pvprp)

For each: Have a lfg tool, allow people to pick whether they want to group cross server or not with a checkbox, have 2 different end game content levels, the unapologetic level and the the scaled level.
The standard 3 difficulty setting system belongs in single player games, not MMORPGs. The first easy setting in a mmo isn't endgame, the last hard setting is.

What you're advocating is one real trophy and two participation trophies that people with real trophies can laugh at.

This game has how many servers? How would it hurt to split them into the servertypes that I suggested? It woudln't hurt at all. It would give people more choices to pick from when deciding what kind of game environment best suits them.

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Kucerakov
04.05.2012 , 01:24 PM | #319
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
And I as a gamer, do not want cross-server and want single-server only. Not just me, but the people at the guild summit who play the game as well with numerous guildmates, also play the same game, and they don't want cross-server.

But somehow, you don't consider their opinions valid simply because they are, quote, hand-picked to be there, while you, a forum poster knows better.
Dude, their opinion is suspect because of who they are. If someone were to ask you to bring together a group of 100 people most likely to prefer single server over cross server lfg, THAT WOULD BE IT. How do you not understand this?

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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 01:24 PM | #320
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
They didn't help in RIFT; if you want to peruse their forums, you'll see that on several servers people were reporting extremely long queues, including a guy who spent multiple 12 hour sessions queued (including one 16 hour stretch) where he gave up without finding a group. I don't know if the screenshots are still there or not.

Mathematically it's easy to show the advantage: on a low pop server, there are <4 people logged into the server that are available to run certain flashpoints at certain times of the day; that means that they will never get a queue pop. This simply does not happen in a cross server system. That's why WoW has ~5 minute queues for low level dungeons, when Rift had 2-6 hour queues single server.
SW:TOR != Rift. Rift didn't even want to release sub numbers, probably hiding the really low numbers. SW:TOR most definitely have many times more than them, and any comparison to Rift is unfair.