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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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chaosdefined
04.05.2012 , 12:58 PM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Do you have proof that single-server dungeon finder won't help low pop servers at all, and that ONLY cross-server can help?
Well there's common sense, but that seems to be over your head...

A low population server is having difficulty getting players together to form FP's and Ops. So you think a tool which groups that same lack of people will magically fix it?

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ferroz
04.05.2012 , 12:58 PM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaxitov View Post
Server Type A: No cross server, unapologetic about difficulty.

Server Type B: Add cross server, still unapologetic about difficulty.

Server Type C: Add cross server, scale difficulty towards the majority being able to complete it.

Server Type D: No cross server, scale difficulty towards the majority being able to complete it.

Slightly increase stats on gear awarded from the more difficult server types, open free anytime transfers, and /thread.
Nah, that'd be 16 server types, and it can all be done with the 4 types we have now (pve, rp, pvp, pvprp)

For each: Have a lfg tool, allow people to pick whether they want to group cross server or not with a checkbox, have 2 different end game content levels, the unapologetic level and the the scaled level.

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Meldwyn
04.05.2012 , 12:58 PM | #293
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Would you like to list a few?

If you stand before a judge, and he asks you "Give me a good reason why I shouldn't put you in jail", and you say "A multitude, you are just ignoring them", you would be thrown in jail.

Yeah...
Maybe you jumped in to this conversation late, I suggest you take the time you have to review Guild Summit vids and read former posts on this very thread... and the one that preceded it. Compiling a list from all of them is not in my future.
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Meldwyn
04.05.2012 , 01:00 PM | #294
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Do you have proof that single-server dungeon finder won't help low pop servers at all, and that ONLY cross-server can help?
I am guessing math isn't a strong suit?
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ferroz
04.05.2012 , 01:02 PM | #295
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
One valid reason given by Gabe being, "random AFK dude won't be so AFK". AFK is one issue.
No, afk people will be just as afk. It's kind of tautological

just FYI: invalid reasons given by dev's are still invalid reasons

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Rather than ask me to give a valid reason, YOU, the cross-server camp, need to give us a valid reason why it should be cross-server and not single-server.
Valid reason: A significant portion of the player base want it, and there is no valid argument against it.


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Why would they cheer for single-server, if deep down they prefer cross-server?
Because they lit the applause sign?
because they're not representative of the player base?
because they think it's a step in the correct direction to have any lfg tool at all?



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It's very clear in the video. It's obvious.
You see what you want to see.

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Skirata_Kal
04.05.2012 , 01:03 PM | #296
Quote: Originally Posted by navarh View Post
in real MMO you enter a general chat in major hub, there like 1k players do various stuff and talk in chat, 1-5messages per second is normal thing there

so now you add "blah-blah player X ninja" who will care? who will even see it? huh?

ofc if your hub isn't pathetic 100-200ppl…
oh wait…
What happened in WoW before LFG was you'd report someone as ninja in general and then you would get flamed for caring (in other words, the one reporting the ninja would come out worse). So 1.3 will come with Single server only lfg, no significant change in fp participation will occur (particularly at lvl 50) on the low pop servers and by the time they get in a cross server LFG it may be too little too late. I love this game and I want it to succeed, but I can't keep paying for a game where all I do is log in, spend some time in general trying to find a group and then log out. And running lowbies through heroics is getting old too. Alts will keep me occupied somewhat for a time but I don't expect that to last either. I've been defending this game against its critics for quite some time, but it's becoming more and more difficult and this issue is a major reason why.
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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 01:03 PM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by Kucerakov View Post
I.. actually did watch the video you linked. The problem here is that apparently you are incapable of comprehending my post. Here, let me help you.



Essentially what you are doing here is saying "Look, all of the fish are pro-water. They are clearly representative of all of Earths life forms."
And somehow you along with a few posters in here are a better representative of the gaming population, considering that forums posters already make up of a very small amount of the total gamers, maybe 2%?

Suppose for one moment that my sample size is deemed not big enough. How does that make you along with other people right?

Let me show you simple maths.

I show you a video where, maybe 40 people applauded at single-server.
And here I only find maybe 10 different posters who want cross-server.

If 40 people do not represent the gaming population, how does that make the 10 of you more right?

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Also, it's tough being the first one to break it to you but THE DEVS DO NOT KNOW JACK. Am I really the first one to notice this? Or did the fantastic months of SOA bugs show you nothing? "The lead dev said so" Grrrrrrreaaaaaaat.

So, to sum up, stop referencing the guild summit video as though the people there are representative of the average player. They are not. They are the leadership of the largest guilds in the game. I would call it a straw man if I believed you were capable of using said rhetorical device. When you point to that video, you look a fool.
Better to look a fool than to be one.

And you, a random forum poster from a single server, somehow knows better than a lead end-game designer who is privy to in-game data like subs, number of flashpoints run, across all servers?

A gamer knows better than a developer?

And you think I *look* the fool here?

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chaosdefined
04.05.2012 , 01:05 PM | #298
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post

Better to look a fool than to be one.

And you, a random forum poster from a single server, somehow knows better than a lead end-game designer who is privy to in-game data like subs, number of flashpoints run, across all servers?

A gamer knows better than a developer?

And you think I *look* the fool here?
No we know you are the fool. And yes, a gamer knows better than a developer. That's incredibly obvious. Know the difference? The gamer PLAYS the game.

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SithEater
04.05.2012 , 01:07 PM | #299
The dev team said Single server only as they are smart enough to realize that cross server kills communities. Now I know a lot of people coming from that other game don't believe but that's just because they never really cared much about community in the first place as long as they could get their shinies.

Hell I am against cross server pvp as its gonna suck to not know who's any good anymore on your side and who's good on the other. But they've already said its gonna be cross so what can you do. /shrug
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Skirata_Kal
04.05.2012 , 01:07 PM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Would you like to list a few?

If you stand before a judge, and he asks you "Give me a good reason why I shouldn't put you in jail", and you say "A multitude, you are just ignoring them", you would be thrown in jail.

Yeah...
Actually if you want to use that analogy here, the judge would ask the clerk to reread the record of the part where the reasons were given and then he/she would reread them. Try a better analogy that actually works.
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