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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 03:29 AM | #211
Quote: Originally Posted by navarh View Post
http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/illidan
Characters: 48,720

feel free to give me any proof of this number being false
Screenshot of the in-game number of level 85s in WoW?
Like how you enthusiastically showed the screenshots of in-game number of level 50s in SW:TOR, and not some 3rd party site?

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chaosdefined
04.05.2012 , 03:29 AM | #212
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/3-3-0

They released a bunch of content along with dungeon finder. Pretty sure people resubbed for the content and less on the dungeon finder.

Numbers continued to grow higher because they released to china.
Then it dropped to 10m today, despite the best efforts of LFD.

Stop equating sub increase to group finder. It is just a feature. You think that people will re-sub if there is only a dungeon-finder and no new content? For what? Doing the same old heroics after 1 year?
I said it was a contributing factor, not the only one.

You ask for evidence, I have provided more than you can for why it does not damage the game. Stick your fingers in your ears and cry all you like. We can't take you seriously when all you do is shout that you're right when you're unable to back it up.

Except that video you keep linking, which we're already told you is invalid and why. We can't help you if you refuse to believe others.

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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 03:34 AM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Right, so a hundred odd players is a good representation of 1.7 million players is it? I'm afraid your math is a bit off.
Still more than someone named chaosdefined.

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And it's very invalid. Bioware picked the top Guilds. The type who are not likely to need or benefit for such features as a cross-server LFD. The type who aren't on low population servers or are experiencing these problems.

It's like asking a Pro Footballer what can be done to improve the situation for local school teams.
The top guilds are the money. They are the ones housing lots of people. You want them to listen to you instead of the top guilds who in turn keep the guild members in their guilds playing?

Surely you are familiar with democracy. The majority wins.

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ConradLionhart
04.05.2012 , 03:37 AM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
I said it was a contributing factor, not the only one.

You ask for evidence, I have provided more than you can for why it does not damage the game. Stick your fingers in your ears and cry all you like. We can't take you seriously when all you do is shout that you're right when you're unable to back it up.

Except that video you keep linking, which we're already told you is invalid and why. We can't help you if you refuse to believe others.
If it does not damage the game, why do the people are the operations panel cheer loudly at single-server? Fact is, they also played WoW! That's how they know that cross-server dungeon finder will make the community worse! Like me! We all experienced it!

That video that I keep linking is proof that the majority don't want cross-server. Because they were there when it was introduced in WoW. They don't like it. And you still don't get it, because you think them being hand-picked means all their previous experiences are invalid.

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navarh
04.05.2012 , 03:37 AM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Screenshot of the in-game number of level 85s in WoW?
Like how you enthusiastically showed the screenshots of in-game number of level 50s in SW:TOR, and not some 3rd party site?
that site based on data from that_game-armory

and as i say you feel free to provide any proff that it's data isn't accurate
and as i said i can't screenshot more that 490 players, but you fell free to beat atleast this number

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chaosdefined
04.05.2012 , 03:38 AM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Still more than someone named chaosdefined.



The top guilds are the money. They are the ones housing lots of people. You want them to listen to you instead of the top guilds who in turn keep the guild members in their guilds playing?

Surely you are familiar with democracy. The majority wins.
First true thing you've said yet. The majority wins in a democracy.

100 out of 1.7million is NOT the majority.

And that is something a lot of people have been complaining about why the Guild Summit was a joke.

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chaosdefined
04.05.2012 , 03:39 AM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
If it does not damage the game, why do the people are the operations panel cheer loudly at single-server? Fact is, they also played WoW! That's how they know that cross-server dungeon finder will make the community worse! Like me! We all experienced it!

That video that I keep linking is proof that the majority don't want cross-server. Because they were there when it was introduced in WoW. They don't like it. And you still don't get it, because you think them being hand-picked means all their previous experiences are invalid.
At this point I'm going to just give up replying to you. I'd have an easier time getting a brick wall to be more open.

You seem to be under the belief that 100 out of 1.7million is a majority and that that somehow is proof.

You seem to think that it damaged the game despite evidence that numbers increased.

You seem to be against logic in general.

Luckily BW has already stated that a Cross-Server LFD is something they are now thinking of.

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DarthTHC
04.05.2012 , 06:35 AM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
We have told you constantly, a small number of players HAND PICKED BY BIOWARE do not represent the entire playerbase.

Again you ignore this and promote that video as if it was the entire game's population speaking as one.
It's not just that the group was hand picked by BioWare...

The people who attended that summit were GUILD LEADERS. Of course they can get a group whenever they want one... they're GUILD LEADERS. They log in, they ask their guild who's up for a group, their guild jumps in.

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DarthTHC
04.05.2012 , 06:40 AM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by ConradLionhart View Post
Still more than someone named chaosdefined.



The top guilds are the money. They are the ones housing lots of people. You want them to listen to you instead of the top guilds who in turn keep the guild members in their guilds playing?

Surely you are familiar with democracy. The majority wins.
No, the top guilds are not the money. Big, successful guilds are the exception, not the norm. Just like top-end raiders and the best PvP players are the outliers.

The norm is casual players. That's where the money is.

BW said themselves that they're creating the LFG tool because too few players are getting into flashpoints, especially pre-50.

What do you think is going to happen on the 80%+ of the servers that are low population when they put a same-server LFG tool in? I'll answer that for you... the numbers BioWare saw that told them too few people are getting into flashpoints won't change dramatically.

Why?

Because there simply aren't enough people on those low pop servers to support single-server LFG.

BioWare will have 3 choices at that point:

1. Abandon the desire to get more players into flashpoints. Highly unlikely since they've already stated it's a goal.

2. Server merges. Highly unlikely due to the expected impact this will have on investors' perception of the success of the game.

3. Cross-Server LFG. Highly likely next step. What else will realistically solve the problem?

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Valkirus
04.05.2012 , 06:50 AM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by Reevax View Post
100% false.

I mean what does "community" even mean to you? My 10 man raid guild met after the LFD and we are still friends today. Is that community or not really?
It is. And you make a good point. The community I am concerned with is friends I have made, guildies,etc. The selfish, jerks I put on ignore when I come across them when using a cross server group run. I know when I do, I never have to worry about getting grouped with them again. Works great for me.
Trust is something which is earned.