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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

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ferroz
04.04.2012 , 10:57 AM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
That's my point. I hope they keep the current rewards for completing a Flashpoint and don't add extras like in WoW.
That doesn't make any sense...

The current reward for completing a flashpoint in swtor is already the same as the reward for completing a dungeon in wow through the lfd... You get tokens for gear.

people in swtor are already skipping bosses because they are only interested in quickly finishing to get their daily reward.

people in swtor can buy good gear and get into the higher dungeons and raids without having actually experienced much to understand their class.

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DarthTHC
04.04.2012 , 10:57 AM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
That's my point. I hope they keep the current rewards for completing a Flashpoint and don't add extras like in WoW. I'll be honest, as much as I think the LFG system is good, there was a problem with it rewarding tokens for using it. Meaning that, like I said, a lot of people were only interested in quickly finishing to get theirs, and people could buy good gear and get into the higher dungeons and raids without having actually experienced much to understand their class.

Though that's a bit of a tangent.
I guess the flip-side to no rewards is lower usage. People would use LFG just to get the rewards. Without the rewards, fewer people would probably have used it and queues would be longer.

I think WoW added rewards after the initial implementation. I know they added the tank and healer specific rewards after the initial implementation. Hopefully we won't need the same incentives here. Tanking isn't nearly as challenging in this game as it was in WoW...

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WildbloodX
04.04.2012 , 10:58 AM | #133
I heard that BW will be improving the current LFG system, but have not found any detailed information on what sort of improvement will be made. Any nerds out there have a link or additional information on what will be changed if any in 1.2?

Thanks,

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chaosdefined
04.04.2012 , 11:29 AM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
That doesn't make any sense...

The current reward for completing a flashpoint in swtor is already the same as the reward for completing a dungeon in wow through the lfd... You get tokens for gear.

people in swtor are already skipping bosses because they are only interested in quickly finishing to get their daily reward.

people in swtor can buy good gear and get into the higher dungeons and raids without having actually experienced much to understand their class.
Actually that's true with the commendations, hadn't realise that. Ok back to the drawing board.

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Evangelist
04.04.2012 , 11:43 AM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by GhostNato View Post
i think its important to have a LFG for the following reason


1 - You can leave the imp or rep fleet and go do other things while a group is being assembled

2 - You dont have to wait around at the fleet watching spam in the general channel of people trying to find groups

3 - It removes a large chunk of elitism from the game, games are meant to be fun, there is nothing fun about some upstart kicking you out of the group and then publicly broadcasting that dont play with this guy because his gear is not up to scratch. Ive seen that happen to too many players.
Agree with 1 & 2:

Cross server LFG tool/PVP is bad. I saw what it did to WoW and didn't like it. No need for Friends lists or worrying about your rep, just get random group 4674574 together and git 'er done. If random healer #691 sucks kick them and get another. Feel like ninjaing that item for your companion? No problem, cause if your rep is crap it don't matter cause to everyone else your just random body #12345 and they'll likely never see you again or you them.

Basically it leads to or intensifies the G.I.F.T.

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DarthTHC
04.04.2012 , 11:55 AM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by Evangelist View Post
Agree with 1 & 2:

Cross server LFG tool/PVP is bad. I saw what it did to WoW and didn't like it. No need for Friends lists or worrying about your rep, just get random group 4674574 together and git 'er done. If random healer #691 sucks kick them and get another. Feel like ninjaing that item for your companion? No problem, cause if your rep is crap it don't matter cause to everyone else your just random body #12345 and they'll likely never see you again or you them.

Basically it leads to or intensifies the G.I.F.T.
Except this happens today without any LFG tool. I was just in an instance this weekend in which the group leader rolled need on everything, just because he could.

You say that it affects reputation. In order for that to happen, I would have to use some amount of my time to publicize this douchebag's douchebaggery and probably spend an equal or greater amount of time defending my own reputation because it's really he said vs. he said. Where is the benefit in any of that?

LFG doesn't cause this bad behavior. Bad players do, and they'll do it with or without an LFG tool.

The thing that (hopefully) LFG does for us is give us a vote-kick feature so the 3 of us who don't like ninja-looters can kick him out. Because now, since he was the group leader, our only option was to drop group.

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Touchbass
04.04.2012 , 02:14 PM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Except this happens today without any LFG tool. I was just in an instance this weekend in which the group leader rolled need on everything, just because he could.

You say that it affects reputation. In order for that to happen, I would have to use some amount of my time to publicize this douchebag's douchebaggery and probably spend an equal or greater amount of time defending my own reputation because it's really he said vs. he said. Where is the benefit in any of that?

LFG doesn't cause this bad behavior. Bad players do, and they'll do it with or without an LFG tool.

The thing that (hopefully) LFG does for us is give us a vote-kick feature so the 3 of us who don't like ninja-looters can kick him out. Because now, since he was the group leader, our only option was to drop group.
Some guy Ninja'ed some stuff for his companion off of me in a flashpoint run so I dropped group immediately cause he was being a dick about it. Later I found him in the fleet looking for more, I sent a whisper to someone asking for him an invite saying he's a ninja. The response I got was "Thanks, but it's hard enough finding a group that I'll risk it". Yeah server reputation means nothing.
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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NDiggy
04.04.2012 , 02:45 PM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by Evangelist View Post
Agree with 1 & 2:

Cross server LFG tool/PVP is bad. I saw what it did to WoW and didn't like it. No need for Friends lists or worrying about your rep, just get random group 4674574 together and git 'er done. If random healer #691 sucks kick them and get another. Feel like ninjaing that item for your companion? No problem, cause if your rep is crap it don't matter cause to everyone else your just random body #12345 and they'll likely never see you again or you them.

Basically it leads to or intensifies the G.I.F.T.
The big distinction I would make is that when the cross server lfg tool launched in WoW there was actually a community to destroy (I won't deny it ruined any last remnants of a sense of community on my server). In SWTOR the community is already gone, so, there is not risk of destroying it. All that is left are small pockets of survivors holding on for dear life that something will happen to breathe life back into their servers. Without a cross server LFG tool those people are stranded and stuck with the difficult task of trying to find people to group with just so they can see content.
A countryman between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats. -
Benjamin Franklin

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MasterKayote
04.04.2012 , 02:49 PM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Except this happens today without any LFG tool. I was just in an instance this weekend in which the group leader rolled need on everything, just because he could.

You say that it affects reputation. In order for that to happen, I would have to use some amount of my time to publicize this douchebag's douchebaggery and probably spend an equal or greater amount of time defending my own reputation because it's really he said vs. he said. Where is the benefit in any of that?

LFG doesn't cause this bad behavior. Bad players do, and they'll do it with or without an LFG tool.

The thing that (hopefully) LFG does for us is give us a vote-kick feature so the 3 of us who don't like ninja-looters can kick him out. Because now, since he was the group leader, our only option was to drop group.
Once again the "it already happens" excuse. Because a completely random tool that matches you up with players you'll never see again wont make it any worse. Lets all just give the scum of not only our server but a group of servers even MORE incentive to treat others like crap.

Xserver and Recount supporters need to get over that excuse already. Its completely irrational. Just because there are bad players now doesnt mean its ok to /shrug and give them the tools to be better at it and do it more often.

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Jederix
04.04.2012 , 02:59 PM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
You honestly think the reason why we dont want x-server is elitism.

Even BW stated the reasons why they didnt want it in the first place. It has been stated many times in this thread and many others what x-server does. There is plus sides, which has been stated in here. and there is downsides. If community doesnt mean anything to you. so be it. Just dont go making up your own reasons up due to not understanding what an MMO is and does. Like i say, if this means nothing to you. so be it. just dont go making stuff up. kids do this to get what they want. unless the boot fits.
I like that you always resort to the kids insult; usually means you are a kid yourself (which I most assuredly am not), but unlike you, I'm not going to generalize you based on a couple foolish comments. At least you are consistent.

MMO means Massively Multiplayer Online. Where exactly does the word "Community" come into that, except in your own broad interpretation of what an MMO is.

You want to know where I came up with my opinion? Why is it every time someone says that a cross server looking for group tool destroys a community they follow it up with "because we cannot blacklist people we think suck" (I'm paraphrasing, of course). Can you answer that?

I stand by my reasoning. Community builders want to be able to control the play of others so they remain top dogs, with their boot lickers a close second, and the rest of the playerbase kept firmly in check by their black lists and whatnot.

I'm certain that because I disagree with you, I'll be labeled a kid yet again. Seriously, get over yourself.
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