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What if Luke and Leia were switched at birth?

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What if Luke and Leia were switched at birth?

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mefit
04.02.2012 , 08:33 AM | #11
I think Leia would have done everything Luke had done and maybe even better . I think she would have fell in Love with Han Solo alot earlier but I think Luke would have still because Grandmaster though Leia's teachings as Leia would probably been still more focused on her family .
To be honest if Leia learned the force before Luke she might even been more powerful than him as Jaina was more powerful than Jacen .
Which maybe when Luke joined Paplitine in EU , Leia might have killed Luke :P

Leia in my opinion is smarter than Luke in everyway and she is Anakin's daughter as well , so she might have been just as good a pilot as him too. People who like Luke put too much investment into him period.
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mefit
04.02.2012 , 08:38 AM | #12
What is surpising to me is she was raised in the open ,just about and later has been in the presence of the Emperor many times before OT . After all she was a mamber of the Imperial Senate . What if ------- Palpitine would have learned about her when she was a baby and noticed her power then, took her for his own and raised her in secret ?
What if ------ she became a Sith Lord and eventually the Empress !?!? What a Story that would have been !

If Luke becomes more powerful that the Emperor than surely she would have too, so maybe at one point before or in the OT she might have killed Emperor Palpitine and took the Empire for herself !
I would find her more scarier than Palpitine and not too mention the turn of events that would bring too Luke in finding out his own twin was the Empress ............
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AngelousWang
04.02.2012 , 09:19 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Fyurii View Post

By the way, you are showing some pretty blatant gender bias....

Reeking chauvinism......

You're looking at her through eyes of sexism and the same background as she already had.

You really are guilty of gender bias in your entire post, and have zero understanding of nature vs nurture debates, and some blatant views on "women's roles".
People develop based on education + choices + environment + how they are treated.

As such Males and Female always develop differently, they will always be treated differently by societies, friends, families and even parents.

(Father for example are typically competitive and proud of sons, whilst more overly protective of daughters. And I doubt if I was female raised exactly the same way I was as male I'd have had a who can piss the furthest off the skyscraper contest with friends on a regular bases as a teenager).

It' just base human psychology, Luke and Leia would not be the same in same situation just because they are male and female and that changes the way others react to them, which in turn effects their development and they develop differently.
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Invictos
04.02.2012 , 09:58 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by AngelousWang View Post
It' just base human psychology, Luke and Leia would not be the same in same situation just because they are male and female and that changes the way others react to them, which in turn effects their development and they develop differently.
Indeed. I don't intend to defend any of Angelous' specific theories about Leia, but there is a huge distinction here that cannot be over-emphasized: if I, as a forum poster, theorize that (for example) Owen Lars would have treated Leia differently than he treated Luke, that doesn't mean that I'm sexist; it means that I think Owen Lars may have some sexist-tinged biases, given that frontier communities throughout history are well known for prizing sons over daughters.

Likewise, I think it'd be a stretch to assume that Vader wouldn't regard a long-lost daughter differently than he regarded his long-lost son, if for no other reason than that Leia would be more likely to remind him directly of Padme, his love for whom led to his fall to the Dark Side -- and whose death left him with no reason not to serve Palpatine.

Because we're dealing with a fictional universe, it's impossible to know to what extent gender biases are relevant, but it's reasonable to guess that those biases would be similar to what we see here on earth. Those biases aren't universally bad, either; who's to say that a father's (typically) more protective approach to raising daughters is a social evil that must be stamped out? Who's to say that the father's views are even correctable? To what extent are such biases attributable to nurture as opposed to nature?

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Aximand
04.02.2012 , 12:45 PM | #15
Then Leia would have been a really short Stormtrooper.
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Antipathize
04.02.2012 , 01:24 PM | #16
If Luke and Leia were switched, I don't think Luke would look as good in hair buns or the slave outfit.

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Fyurii
04.02.2012 , 01:24 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Invictos View Post
Indeed. I don't intend to defend any of Angelous' specific theories about Leia, but there is a huge distinction here that cannot be over-emphasized: if I, as a forum poster, theorize that (for example) Owen Lars would have treated Leia differently than he treated Luke, that doesn't mean that I'm sexist; it means that I think Owen Lars may have some sexist-tinged biases, given that frontier communities throughout history are well known for prizing sons over daughters.

Likewise, I think it'd be a stretch to assume that Vader wouldn't regard a long-lost daughter differently than he regarded his long-lost son, if for no other reason than that Leia would be more likely to remind him directly of Padme, his love for whom led to his fall to the Dark Side -- and whose death left him with no reason not to serve Palpatine.

Because we're dealing with a fictional universe, it's impossible to know to what extent gender biases are relevant, but it's reasonable to guess that those biases would be similar to what we see here on earth. Those biases aren't universally bad, either; who's to say that a father's (typically) more protective approach to raising daughters is a social evil that must be stamped out? Who's to say that the father's views are even correctable? To what extent are such biases attributable to nurture as opposed to nature?
Also, it's forgotten that Luke and Leia were (for all intents and purposes) both an only child, raised in entirely different surroundings and lifestyles.
Owen couldn't afford to hire on the help he needed to send Luke to the Academy, which was his continual excuse and reason as to why Luke couldn't leave.
Luke had to help with harvesting, maintenance and more as he grew older. Leia would have had to do the same out of the necessity of the Lars family's situation - Grow up having to do manual labour, perform maintenance on droids and equipment.

The only way she wouldn't be in Luke's position, is if Owen & Beru suddenly came into money (making themselves a target for bandits and swoop gangs) or had a child of their own who was a boy.

For Luke being raised on Alderaan, he wouldn't have gotten military training. Post Clone Wars Alderaan is a world of peace. The crew of the Tantive 4 were only able to mount a (bad) defense agaisnt invading Imperial Stormtroopers because they were Rebel forces. Not Alderaanians.
Bail Organa wasn't a soldier, and only had basic self defense and weapons training. Luke wouldn't receive anything better than that, especially not on a post Clone Wars Alderaan.

On a side note, Luke & Leia aren't "long lost" children for Anakin/Vader. He never knew they existed until between ANH and ESB, and only about Leia a short time before his own death.
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Lyer
04.02.2012 , 02:01 PM | #18
I don't know how good of a moisture farmer Leia would have been, but Luke would still have made an excellent princess.
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Invictos
04.02.2012 , 04:20 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Fyurii View Post
On a side note, Luke & Leia aren't "long lost" children for Anakin/Vader. He never knew they existed until between ANH and ESB, and only about Leia a short time before his own death.
That's pretty nitpicky. The phrase is intended to describe the separation, nothing more. And Anakin did know that Padme was pregnant, so the notion that he might have had children wouldn't have been that foreign to him. I'm sure the idea haunted him.

In any case, none of the above has anything to do with the price of cornflakes. If Anakin had been confronted with a daughter in ESB instead of a son, his reaction might have been very different.