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Button Basher? what am i missing??

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Button Basher? what am i missing??

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Valhalyn
03.27.2012 , 07:25 AM | #11
Ok but really...have you made it off Korriban yet and chosen a advanced class? Either Juggernaut or Marauder? Do you have a companion??? Should be a Twilek or a Manbearpig beastie. Are you attacking a mob with a gold star in its portrait? Silver? None? If you havent made it off of Korriban yet stay away from the Gold stars until your a few levels above them. Unless you have a companion then you're fine. Use your companion to take if they can...

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oOParaOo
03.27.2012 , 08:33 AM | #12
i finally get another player to team up. he fight a boss he dies.. then boom 10 seconds later i get transported to start of level again, ***? then we fight again, and i die with a 9 min respawn? this game is becoming frustrating.
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Erevan_Kindelar
03.27.2012 , 08:48 AM | #13
It sounds like you are trying to tackle a boss enemy that is too high level for you. Target it, but stay out of range - about 40 metres away should be ok. Look at the level of the enemy, and whether it it listed as Strong, Elite, Champion, World Boss, etc.

If it is Strong or Elite, then as long as you and your team mate are at the same level as the enemy, you should be able to beat it.

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Sledgeweb
03.27.2012 , 10:51 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Eternalnight View Post
Oh, no...


In fact you should just bash buttons completely randomly without ever getting to know what each of your abilities do and what effect they have.

Also you should not cc, stun, interupt or even learn what these are.

Also when an enemy casts some kind of area of effect damage attack, you should not move out of it, but instead just stand in it and suffer the full damage.

Not to mention, instead of wearing correct gear for your class, you should wear gear with completely useless stats for your class. Same for companions of course.

Oh, and almost forgot, you should not pay any attention to what you spend skillpoints on, but just place them completely randomly without even reading the tooltips of those skills.
Congrats! You've achieved Jerk, Level 50!

Sounds like someone who hasn't played MMOs before, and is use to single player games where you have to engage in combat more realistically (dodging and attacking). I've always thought MMOs were a bit stupid, and counter intuitive in that you have to both stand there hitting each other in the face with swords for 5 minutes until one of you dies. But, eventually you get use to it and see it more as a strategy for attack than a realistic depiction of a battle. It would be nice to see an MMO that at least makes an attempt to have realistic combat, instead of the same formula rehashed again and again. In the end, it is about mashing buttons, but it's just figuring out a strategy for what buttons to mash when.

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MasterHan
03.27.2012 , 12:30 PM | #15
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Oh Lord...

Really, the game isn't THAT complicated. It's not... Sudoku, or Chess. Besides, everything you NEED to know is written in them game's manual, these a guide for newcomers on the forums and ingame you get toturial messages that should help you out.

But nooo... searching is too hard, isn't it?

You must be Canadian or something.
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shama
03.27.2012 , 12:34 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterHan View Post
Really, the game isn't THAT complicated. It's not... Sudoku, or Chess.
But it's also not a normal single player game, where your position/dexterity/accuracy have a huge effect on combat. For those of us used to MMOs we've grown used to the fact that combat is a strategic affair rather than pure reflexes and coordination.

Yes searching, or in fact reading the in game information, would have provided some of these answers BUT this is the new player forum and there are a lot of well, being polite, basic questions. If they bother you too much you should leave and hang around in the more mature, intelligent and hostile forums :P
And leave Canadians oot of it eh?
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RobNightfall
03.27.2012 , 01:19 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by oOParaOo View Post
I am struggling to get into this game, maybe i am too noobish, but it feels like a button basher.

How do i defend my self or dodge attacks? do i just stand there, pressing 123 hoping they die before i run out of health? can somebody explain it too me?

And why does nobody ever respond on chat or want to join up?

Defense in this is handled like a paper and pencil RPG 99% of the time: there is a static number the attacker has to "roll" higher than to beat, and some things that you do can improve that number. LOS works against ranged attacks, but mostly yes you pretty much just sit there, especially in PvE. In PvP maneuvering is much more important, but the mechanism remains the same.

Nobody is responding because there are not a lot of new players in the game. Most of us have made it to 50 already and what you're hoping to get a group together for is something we've either already completed or don't have any interest in doing now.

Edit: And ignore posters like MasterHan who complain when people ask legitimate questions. You're new, and there's nothing wrong with seeking information, especially in the New Player forum.
Edited because the devs appear to have fixed at least 80% of the crap that was pissing me off.

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Sasheria
03.27.2012 , 01:22 PM | #18
There are some button mashing involve which are your attacks or rotation (well... sequence button mashing) once you get a feel for your class, you would know which button to mash.

Basic attack - you can always button mash this one (default is 1)
now the problem with button mashing others it ALL depends what you are playing.
1st bar = health.
2nd bar = resources.

Resource: there are Force, Heat, Rage, and Energy.
Force and Energy = you have a limited amount of "power" each power OTHER than basic attack takes up a certain amount of resource. If you run out, you can't use your power anymore until you "regen"
Force Regen is constant which is 8 force per "tick"
Energy Regen depends on how much energy you have at the time. The less you have, the slower the regen.

Rage - certain ability BUILD rage (like basic attack) and some ability USE rage. The idea is build rage as much as you can and use the cool abilities that does more damage which use up rage.

Heat - most ability generate heat. Heat auto dissipate over time depending on HOW much heat you have (lower the better) basic attack do not generate heat.

Now....... the complicated stuff.
basic defense is automatic. If you see your character block blaster or "dodge" out of the way. That is done automatically.

What CAN you dodge manually?
AoE attacks. You will notice something that is glowing on the ground or effect (like explosion or "earth quake" you can move out of the way and take no damage
When there is a "casting bar" on the enemy, you can use your interrupt ability. There is a specific ability that will actually interrupt (4 seconds) and there are other skill which CAN be use to interrupt (like stun, knock backs, CC) BUT some bosses (gold star) have innate ability that they are immune to incapacitation so stun attacks or Whirlwind won't work on them (which also interrupts) or overload (which is a knock back ability)

What button to mash?
Once you learn your skill, you will know which sequence to "mash" your button. example you would only use Consume (SI ability) when you have crit on your invinerate. That way you won't take a hit on HP and "negative" force regen.

I hope that helps.

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oOParaOo
03.28.2012 , 05:07 AM | #19
I will try and get into it a bit more. Currently I am enjoying the story more that the combat which at the moment is utterly meh....

I felt the same with uncharted, wish somebody could meet a load of noobs, on a dedicated noob server and give people a real ingame experience of what is what and a guide. There should be better ingame tutorials to help us people who have never played a mmo, Bioware have our money and want more, well so do we.

cheers for the advice.
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Kinakin
03.28.2012 , 05:43 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by oOParaOo View Post
I am struggling to get into this game, maybe i am too noobish, but it feels like a button basher.

How do i defend my self or dodge attacks? do i just stand there, pressing 123 hoping they die before i run out of health? can somebody explain it too me?

And why does nobody ever respond on chat or want to join up?


Well this is atleast two very different questions. And neither really has a short answer. I could go into a loong explenation of passiv and active defence or the optimal attack chain and the use of passiv terrain as an offensiv and defensiv tool, but ill try and keep it short and usefull.

1: How do i defend my self or dodge attacks?
There is no block option and your chance to dodge is based on your stats. The best way to defend yourself is to use abilities that prevent the enemy from doing damage to you. At the lower levels you get new skills every level so its important to visit your class trainer often.

The best way to stay alive tough is picking your fights. Another way is to always keep a level ahead. As long as you stay a level or two above the mobs you are fighting things should be a tad easier.

2: And why does nobody ever respond on chat or want to join up?

well short answer is this isnt a very social game. The way the game is buildt is partily to blame for this. The chat channels are zone spesific. The leveling structure doesnt reward group play adequatly to surpass solo XP for the first 40 levels atleast. And offcourse the quest system is designed to make it fun and easy to play alone. And offcourse not alot of ppl play the game.