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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!


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DarthTHC
03.30.2012 , 10:48 AM | #591
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
Dont rush over the point. Bad behaviour is policed when a single server has its own population. Act an idiot, a ninja etc you will get black listed by the server population, your name turns to mud. This helped keep servers in check and a pleasant place to be. With x-server tools. You empower anyone who wished to act an idiot as there is no fall back. They just bounce from instance to instance doing the same thing. Wow is rampant for this behavour now.
LFG tool was around in WoW for a very long time before I quit. I ran thousands of LFG dungeons. It was very, very rare that I found bad behavior. And when I did, the game offered tools so that I'd never have to deal with that particular offender again.

I also experienced bad behavior, most frequently ninja looting, before LFG ever existed. And while there is some merit to the server policing its own, the reality is much more murky and uncertain. The player could change his name. He could transfer servers. Even if he doesn't, who is going to stay online and follow that player around to ensure everyone he might group with knows he ninja looted one item once ever? And isn't that harrassment worse than the initial transgression?

If you're afraid to have to deal with bad behavior once in a great while, you might want to consider becoming a shut-in and especially never visiting the Internet again.

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Derbefrier
03.30.2012 , 10:48 AM | #592
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
You donot have to miss that with a LFG tool. Plus....remember your experences are not the only ones Bioware has to consider. And not everyone PVP's. BioWare needs to consider the amount of players who are flustrated in trying to find groups to experence end game content in TOR. If they ignore that, then they will fail.
this type of experience isnt limited to PvP. If i am running an instance with complete strangers who i will never see again there really isnt a reason to even talk to each other except for the occasional gogogo or something like that and from my expiriance with WoWs LFD thats pretty much standard. i might as well be playing with bots. this completely negates the experience of playing in a "world" . Face it the majority of relationships made in MMOs are made from a necessity to help each other. grouping out of necessity, naturally friendships are made because people talk because most likely the will see each other quite a bit and get to know on another. this is how a community forms. This is why PC gamers love thier dedicated servers so much for thier FPS because communities form around those servers. I dont get why this is so hard for people to understand.

I am not gonna sit here and say i have never been frustrated because i couldnt find a group but it comes with the territory sometimes connivance is not the best option. Its just a shame really cause we all know it will eventually happen and just like WoW it will have the same effect its alll GOGOGOGOGO and never "hi, hows everyone doing?" Like i said we might as well just play with bots. most people wouldnt even see a differance

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DigitalPrime
03.30.2012 , 10:55 AM | #593
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
LFG tool was around in WoW for a very long time before I quit. I ran thousands of LFG dungeons. It was very, very rare that I found bad behavior. And when I did, the game offered tools so that I'd never have to deal with that particular offender again.

I also experienced bad behavior, most frequently ninja looting, before LFG ever existed. And while there is some merit to the server policing its own, the reality is much more murky and uncertain. The player could change his name. He could transfer servers. Even if he doesn't, who is going to stay online and follow that player around to ensure everyone he might group with knows he ninja looted one item once ever? And isn't that harrassment worse than the initial transgression?

If you're afraid to have to deal with bad behavior once in a great while, you might want to consider becoming a shut-in and especially never visiting the Internet again.
You just said the answer in your own post. The player would have to move servers to continue playing. Thats policing enough, and if you every played WoW or any other MMO before 2009. you would know it works. Working doesnt mean 100% but it was nothing like WoW is now. Add the tool and the maturity of the new MMO players of today = WoW community, Rush in ROOOOAR loot, do another, Bottom line players will to put up with lack of a community just for Badge ratio...Mmmmm great.

You have got to remember. 1.2 is coming, and a same server LFG tool is coming. This will help you all get in groups. If you are on a low population server, thats BWs fault for oipening to many servers, a merger is a must. But there is other ways to get people grouping other then x-server.. But i feel most of the people who want it. fit into the categories ive discribed. They dont care for others, As some of you have said, they dont care for community like some of you have said. its all about speed. Which is a shame as there is other ways, turing MMOs into lobby games for speed and convenience. Gone is the adventrue!

Anyway, we all have opinions. this is just mine. Peace, friday night ROOOOAR DJ time!

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Uzilara
03.30.2012 , 10:59 AM | #594
Quote: Originally Posted by DeadlyConqueror View Post
There's nothing more to add. No cross-server LFG Tool please.
all this is just showing examples that some people will behave in a bad way and that's what you get in a multi-player online game...just like you have "good " and "bad" people in the real world, you'll have those in mmo's as well.

and honestly, if you can't live with this in a computer game, how do you get out of bed each morning in the real world?

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Valkirus
03.30.2012 , 10:59 AM | #595
Quote: Originally Posted by Derbefrier View Post
this type of experience isnt limited to PvP. If i am running an instance with complete strangers who i will never see again there really isnt a reason to even talk to each other except for the occasional gogogo or something like that and from my expiriance with WoWs LFD thats pretty much standard. i might as well be playing with bots. this completely negates the experience of playing in a "world" . Face it the majority of relationships made in MMOs are made from a necessity to help each other. grouping out of necessity, naturally friendships are made because people talk because most likely the will see each other quite a bit and get to know on another. this is how a community forms. This is why PC gamers love thier dedicated servers so much for thier FPS because communities form around those servers. I dont get why this is so hard for people to understand.

I am not gonna sit here and say i have never been frustrated because i couldnt find a group but it comes with the territory sometimes connivance is not the best option. Its just a shame really cause we all know it will eventually happen and just like WoW it will have the same effect its alll GOGOGOGOGO and never "hi, hows everyone doing?" Like i said we might as well just play with bots. most people wouldnt even see a differance
Allways? I hav'nt had that experence to the extremes of "allways" in my Looking for Group runs in WoW. Sure some are that way..but many are the other way...with nice hellos and congrats on winning stuff..some being generous and giving you a item they won with a roll, but did not really need it. It has happened in the postive way like that for me on several occasions. This morning for example,the raid leader in our group run ( LFR )..along with several others, told us what a great job we had done.
Trust is something which is earned.

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DarthTHC
03.30.2012 , 11:00 AM | #596
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalPrime View Post
You just said the answer in your own post. The player would have to move servers to continue playing. Thats policing enough, and if you every played WoW or any other MMO before 2009. you would know it works. Working doesnt mean 100% but it was nothing like WoW is now. Add the tool and the maturity of the new MMO players of today = WoW community, Rush in ROOOOAR loot, do another, Bottom line players will to put up with lack of a community just for Badge ratio...Mmmmm great.
No. I said you would have to harrass the player to a degree that is is far worse than the initial transgression. There is a difference.

I played WoW for 7 years. Do the math. I was there then. I experienced more instances of ninja looting pre-LFD than in any LFG group.

If the SWTOR servers were so jam-packed with players that we could get groups quickly, we wouldn't need LFG tools. Some are so pathetically underpopulated that a single-server LFG tool will do NOTHING for them.

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DeadlyConqueror
03.30.2012 , 11:05 AM | #597
Quote: Originally Posted by Derbefrier View Post
this type of experience isnt limited to PvP. If i am running an instance with complete strangers who i will never see again there really isnt a reason to even talk to each other except for the occasional gogogo or something like that and from my expiriance with WoWs LFD thats pretty much standard. i might as well be playing with bots. this completely negates the experience of playing in a "world" . Face it the majority of relationships made in MMOs are made from a necessity to help each other. grouping out of necessity, naturally friendships are made because people talk because most likely the will see each other quite a bit and get to know on another. this is how a community forms. This is why PC gamers love thier dedicated servers so much for thier FPS because communities form around those servers. I dont get why this is so hard for people to understand.

I am not gonna sit here and say i have never been frustrated because i couldnt find a group but it comes with the territory sometimes connivance is not the best option. Its just a shame really cause we all know it will eventually happen and just like WoW it will have the same effect its alll GOGOGOGOGO and never "hi, hows everyone doing?" Like i said we might as well just play with bots. most people wouldnt even see a differance
Exactly.

cross-server LFG Tool kills the need to make friends to work for the same cause, guilds are not even necessary. You just queue up, run flashpoint without saying a single word, take your loot (or eventually see it ninjaed by someone without nothing to stop him from doing that) and leave. Same with Ops eventually.

Do you people really like that kind of playing? Come on.
On SWTOR we don't need the breed that WoW playstyle created. We don't need you and we don't need your antisocial ideas.

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DarthTHC
03.30.2012 , 11:07 AM | #598
Quote: Originally Posted by DeadlyConqueror View Post
Exactly.

cross-server LFG Tool kills the need to make friends to work for the same cause, guilds are not even necessary. You just queue up, run flashpoint without saying a single word, take your loot and leave. Same with Ops eventually.

Do you people really like that kind of playing? Come on.
On SWTOR we don't need the breed that WoW playstyle created. We don't need you and we don't need your antisocial ideas.
You assume too much. I'm in a guild. I know how to make friends, both in real life and in the game. LFG doesn't in any way kill my desire to add people who I'd like to game with onto my friends list and game with them whenever we're both online.

What it DOES do is give me a whole lot more opportunities to meet people who I'd like to game with, all while doing what I enjoy most in the game.

It increases the likelihood that I can have positive social interactions while at the same time increasing the frequency with which I get to do my favorite activities and, as a bonus, reducing the time I spend doing tasks I find boring and frustrating, namely spamming LFG messages into general chat.

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Valkirus
03.30.2012 , 11:09 AM | #599
Quote: Originally Posted by DeadlyConqueror View Post
Exactly.

cross-server LFG Tool kills the need to make friends to work for the same cause, guilds are not even necessary. You just queue up, run flashpoint without saying a single word, take your loot and leave. Same with Ops eventually.

Do you people really like that kind of playing? Come on.
On SWTOR we don't need the breed that WoW playstyle created. We don't need you and we don't need your antisocial ideas.
My guild is still very active. We have more members now then we did back in TBC. We do lots of stuff together and many of us enjoy running the raids together in LFR.
Trust is something which is earned.

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DeadlyConqueror
03.30.2012 , 11:28 AM | #600
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
My guild is still very active. We have more members now then we did back in TBC. We do lots of stuff together and many of us enjoy running the raids together in LFR.
Are you playing WoW or TOR lol?

I'm asking because your acting (and not only yours) towards this discussion demonstrates that you want the same identical features, copy-pasted from WoW to TOR.