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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!


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Idunhavaname
03.30.2012 , 09:51 AM | #581
Let me ask you this... how the hell did it kill WoW's community? I've played WoW since vannila and I can tell you the community haven't changed since BC-Cata-MoP. Only reason why you're saying "IT KILLS COMMUNITY" is because you don't see people spamming "LFG MC. I HAZ FIRE RESIST INVITE ME!!" all day. Most of the time, you don't even have conversations with the people you're grouping up with.

Vannila WoW community were much more social because it was the start of the MMO before Blizzard attracted the almost brain dead players who pulls 2k DPS on ICC with 30%buff which is also the day the entire community started going downhill. The community itself was already dead by the end of BC.

Only downside to WoW cross-server LFG is if you do ended up meeting someone you like, theres no way you can whisper them again unless you befriended real ID.
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RIP orange pixel

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Valkirus
03.30.2012 , 09:51 AM | #582
Quote: Originally Posted by DeadlyConqueror View Post
ahahaha, do you think the community is more mature in this game to handle the LFG Tool properly cross-server? You got a fancy imagination.
The community will be about the same as in all MMO's..but with the right tools to use..there are ways to deal with them. For one..I donot hesitate to use the ignore feature in pug runs I do. In WoW..if you place a player on your ignore list..you never have to worry about being grouped with them again using the LFG tool. My ignore list is long and my que times have not grown from using it. So the tools do work.
Trust is something which is earned.

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Nitewolfe
03.30.2012 , 09:57 AM | #583
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
I know in my case I'm arguing for the right to be able to enjoy my time outside of flashpoints with the people I meet inside em. Until we have one virtual server that we all can hop from one server to the next to hang out with the friends we make across servers I don't want a X server LFG. I don't just want another body to run flashpoints. I want to evaluate potential future friends. It's how I do it. I do the same thing for Warzones and I am also against cross server warzones.
SO flashpoints are your personal match maker system. Thats pretty sad.
How about you try talking to people outside of those areas to make friends.
besides i flat out hate chatty people in groups. I mean come on can we just kill this mob with out you telling us how your day is going and how your mom hasnt sent down lunch yet.

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Valkirus
03.30.2012 , 09:57 AM | #584
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
I think that people who complain about the extremely rare instances of bad behavior in groups... and somehow blame a tool for that behavior and think the behavior could never happen without that tool... are fooling themselves at best.
You are correct. I ran into jerks in groups before the LFG tool was added and still do...in it and out of it. And I deal with them all the same way I have for years. Ignore and move on.
Trust is something which is earned.

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DarthKhaos
03.30.2012 , 10:01 AM | #585
I've been playing a shadow recently and PvPing while lvling it. Apparently I've become infamous. I enter a warzone, lay out a simple plan (because anything more and they WILL screw it up even though sometimes people still do on the simple plan) and most of the times (basically when the plan is followed) we win. I've been noticing people expressing how happy they are to see me in the match or telling others to shut up and follow the plan because they've experienced how good it is.

Enemies now hunt me down. Comes in handy while baiting them away from turrets or doors or drawing the majority of players to one. Makes the matches more exciting. I swear sometimes they just give up when they see me in a match because suddenly the enemy team appears to have less numbers for a little while (or I could just be imagining things.)

I'm going to miss this.


Quote: Originally Posted by Nitewolfe View Post
SO flashpoints are your personal match maker system. Thats pretty sad.
How about you try talking to people outside of those areas to make friends.
besides i flat out hate chatty people in groups. I mean come on can we just kill this mob with out you telling us how your day is going and how your mom hasnt sent down lunch yet.
Actually I do. However it's a great way to meet skilled players. You cannot contest that you really get to know if they are made of "the right stuff" when you battle with them. How they handle themselves in the thick of things and how they interact with other players esp those who mat not be as good as them. Think about any MMO you've played and tell me if you did't want to add someone to your friend list or guild after going through a trying group experience with them and they handled themselves well?
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Valkirus
03.30.2012 , 10:05 AM | #586
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
I've been playing a shadow recently and PvPing while lvling it. Apparently I've become infamous. I enter a warzone, lay out a simple plan (because anything more and they WILL screw it up even though sometimes people still do on the simple plan) and most of the times (basically when the plan is followed) we win. I've been noticing people expressing how happy they are to see me in the match or telling others to shut up and follow the plan because they've experienced how good it is.

Enemies now hunt me down. Comes in handy while baiting them away from turrets or doors or drawing the majority of players to one. Makes the matches more exciting. I swear sometimes they just give up when they see me in a match because suddenly the enemy team appears to have less numbers for a little while (or I could just be imagining things.)

I'm going to miss this.
You donot have to miss that with a LFG tool. Plus....remember your experences are not the only ones Bioware has to consider. And not everyone PVP's. BioWare needs to consider the amount of players who are flustrated in trying to find groups to experence end game content in TOR. If they ignore that, then they will fail.
Trust is something which is earned.

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navarh
03.30.2012 , 10:12 AM | #587
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKhaos View Post
Enemies now hunt me down.
I'm going to miss this.
i played alot of bg in that_game
and after first clash i already have a good viev of who is dangerous and whom i must hunt down

ofc you would not be the biggest fish in small pond, and i bet that is a true, core issue

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Esproc
03.30.2012 , 10:39 AM | #588
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While I will be the first one to admit that SWTOR had issues as a game and does need to improve in certain areas, I am tired of people comparing this game to Wow. It isn't Wow and I am thankful for that. Stop the comparisons. Wow is over 7 years old while this game is only 4 almost 5 months old. Did BW screw the pooch, in many ways yes they did, I am not a fangirl who thinks this game is perfect but its no Wow.

Those who seem to think TOR needs to be like WoW, no it does not. The I want it now and I don't want to work for it generation. I was an avid player of SWG and loved it till the NGE. Stop the comparasisns, they are not the same game and I pray never will be.
What I am saying is that some want SWTOR want it to be WoW and ***** and moan if WoW features are not in it ect. WoW does this, WoW does that ect, this isn't Wow. That is my issue.
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People complain that all the new MMOs coming out are just WoW-clones. Then there are the peope that want to make any new MMO into a freaking WoW-clone.
You can't win anyway because the current brand of MMO player (that WoW has spawned) has basically destroyed the MMO community.
I will always blame Blizzard/Activision for destroying the MMO community into what it is now. A huge clusterF of whiners and lazy people because they can't handle little work or challenge in their game.

Want an instant group? Want an instant raid? Want DPS meters because people are too lazy to download a parser? Want a threat meter, and the list of dumbed down game mechanics goes on and on. WoW has taken leveling a character to a whole new extreme. It is so easy and quick to max out a character in that game that a young child can do it with ease. What's next?....Getting rid of leveling because it takes to long for causals to enjoy a game.

If I ever quit MMO playing it is because of what Blizzard/Activision did to the genre. To me WoW is the fast food of MMOs. Catering to whims of the masses for the all mighty dollar.
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Server merge would sort this, server merges happen in all new MMOs.
Paitence is a virtue!
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If Blizzard was in charge we wouldn't have any new OPs, FPs for 6+ months.
Wouldn't get new WZs till the next xpac.
And they wouldn't really care what we had to say about it.
These are just a few examples of many. You can claim opinion, but theirs are just as valid an opinion as yours are that claim X-Server LFG never causes any problems, as you have no more proof than what these others express.
If you claim that none of this has ever happened to you or that you have not seen any of the described problems., and you keep pushing so hard that you are bashing everything that is not what you want, you may not be part of the solution.

If you have never had a problem, never noticed a decline in the people around you, like asking in either SW or Org, while they wait for their one button wonder, for a group without being laughed at , chastised, trolled, etc. then perhaps you are that person, and that is why such a load clamoring rises up from you for this highly debatable tool.
In this Age of Information, Ignorance is a Choice!

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DigitalPrime
03.30.2012 , 10:40 AM | #589
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
I think that people who complain about the extremely rare instances of bad behavior in groups... and somehow blame a tool for that behavior and think the behavior could never happen without that tool... are fooling themselves at best.
Dont rush over the point. Bad behaviour is policed when a single server has its own population. Act an idiot, a ninja etc you will get black listed by the server population, your name turns to mud. This helped keep servers in check and a pleasant place to be. With x-server tools. You empower anyone who wished to act an idiot as there is no fall back. They just bounce from instance to instance doing the same thing. Wow is rampant for this behavour now.

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DarthTHC
03.30.2012 , 10:45 AM | #590
I'm not quoting the mess in the previous thread, but I find one thought amusing.

People somehow equate standing around Fleet spamming LFG messages "work" that you should do in order to advance your character.

That's just... well... stupid.

Yes, weshould do research to figure out the right skill builds and rotations. Yes, we should run quests and flashpoints to gear ourselves up. Yes, there are things we should do to advance our characters.

But a tool that gives us a quicker way to get into a group doesn't remove the need for us to figure out how to play our characters "right" or to gear them correctly. It only removes the rote, boring, frustrating waiting that now stands between us and some of the activities we need to do to advance our characters.