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Touchbass
03.29.2012 , 04:09 PM | #471
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Um...you're saying that finding less players for a group will take longer...have you thought this logic through?
There really is no logic to not having an improved X-LFD. I understand how it can be a danger to the community but not having one is causing cancellations and a litany of other problems in many servers. What we should be focused on is how to improve the X-LFD interface. Some reasonings

1) Without a X-LFD, certain servers at certain times will never be able to find groups

2) When the player base moves past something (ie leveling content) finding a group becomes next to impossible

3) X-LFD should prioritize same server medium servers (3/4) or at least (2/4) so people can at least be with one person from there server

4) Integrated kicking mechanics, if you don't kick often and aren't the receipient of a kick, you'll be assigned a "+ value" and over time you'll be grouped with people with a high "+ value" so there will be repercussions to your actions.

5) Allow the WoW model of grouping with friends cross server, add in a transfer system so people can bounce back and forth and we got some gravy


I know the above isn't perfect but those who think the X-LFD is all bad are ignorant of the good it caused and that isn't the basis for a logically conversation. With the addition of the LFR I was first able to kill an end expansion boss while he was relevant, no the community didn't help me do it but in-game tools. Lets find something that works guys and keep it civil!
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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Aeris_Kane
03.29.2012 , 04:14 PM | #472
I love how a x-server LFG will supposedly ruin the community of this game. I'm sorry, but you need a community first to ruin.

Look around on the forums at all the "my server's dead", "when will server transfers be allowed?" ... where's the community on those servers? Or do those servers not count because they are not the ones you're on?

People reply to post's that they are only seeing 10 - 12 republic players in fleet at peak times; how are they supposed to get a group together? What would you suggest to them? Should they just log off and try again some other time? Or should they just re-roll and on another server and start all over again?

Okay, let's take the re-roll scenario. Kiss your legacy good bye. Like your name? Hopefully it's available on the new server. Oh, you were 50 there with 4 Rakata pcs? That's nice, start over.

Community is what YOU make of it. Not some tool that helps people find groups to get a daily done.

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Ionna
03.29.2012 , 04:30 PM | #473
Quote: Originally Posted by Bakinpacman View Post
So since these guys seems to believe that the only thing that makes MMORPG's work these days is a x-server group finder i am recreating a new post about why we do not a x-server group finder at this current time and what actually should be done at this current time.

For all you people acting like the x-server group finder tool will fix all the finding of group problems you must also realize that because the group in SWTOR take 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 dps unlike the 3 dps it will take a hell of alot longer to find a group as a DPS in most likeliness.

I am going to post why we should not have the x-server finder at the "moment" and what needs to be incorporated into it before it is released.

Some examples would be allowing you to choose where you find people from locally or another server and forcing specific loot for what role you chose when you entered.

I will explain why we should use server merges at the moment (which can be hidden under the premise of them allowing oceanic transfers). and what should be done before they work on a x-server group finder.

as you do this...explain how youll tell investors that this doesnt mean a loss in subs and that you overestimated how many ppl would play your game.... then explain how youlll generate cash when you lose said investors.

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DarthPeterNorth
03.29.2012 , 04:37 PM | #474
Quote: Originally Posted by MUFanatic View Post
I am disappointed to see the cross realm LFG tool being talked about as a future addition to the game. I was really hoping to keep that out of TOR just because of it's ability to destroy community in a game. I would be all for LFG server wide but cross realm is a no go for me.
Im dissapointed to see this tool being such a drama towards some players. Its an obvious tool to promote group play in a much needed environment, a feature that provides less effort and fastr rewards for everybody and yet, ppl are afraid of being trashed talked or not talking during instances because the other players are from different servers.

You guys need to GROW UP. People pay 15 bucks a month to have fun, and not being able to do essencial parts of the game due to lack of LFD tool isn't fun. If you are so sensible abut ppl talking trash to you, MMORPGs are not for you. PERIOD.

There is no sense of community to be destroyed. There is only lack of group activities due to the amount of time needed to gather ppl for these events. People want things fast. That is why WoW is a success. Even though you might not agree, it is, even today, 8 years after its release.


We MUST have these options to speed up the fun part of the game, that is grouping. PVPers have these options since the game was RELEASED. Why PVErs that are the majority of the game should not as well?


Stop crying already over this. You want others to suffer and not have dungeons and raids to be done, unless under a guild leader dictator's DKP system?. What sort of person are you to want others to not have something that benefits the pace of grouping for fun stuff?
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Lightmaguz
03.29.2012 , 05:21 PM | #475
queues now!

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Snoodmaster
03.29.2012 , 08:02 PM | #476
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaedusz View Post
1.No ninjaing.
I actually found ninjaing to be less of an issue after cross-realm LFG came into WoW because you could always just run the instance again in about 15 minutes, instead of basically being restricted to once a day at best. If some guy ninja'd you just ran it again and it wouldn't matter. before WoW's LFG came in, if some guy only wanted gear off the third boss and quit halfway through the instance, everyone else was boned. After LFG, you just queued up and got a replacement within seconds. Certainly I didn't experience any higher rates of ninja looting post LFG than pre LFG.

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2.After the cross realm LFG tool,the only ''online friends'' i had were those i dueled with in front of Orgrimmar.
So you never got grouped with people on your same server? You never asked in trade if anyone was willing to start a premade to chain run some heroics? You never met anyone while farming mats or doing dailies?

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3.You may meet a cool person in the group(some1 you enjoy playing with),but you are never gonna see him again.
Or you could add him as a friend and chat with him across servers. That would open up your group of friends even wider.

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4.Somehow people were more mature before the cross realm lfg tool.
That's pure speculation. I could say that people became more mature AFTER cross realm lfg, and it would have just as much basis and reasoning as your statement. Certainly I found running low level dungeons to be less stressful when you didn't have to deal with impatient people leaving the group every 30 minutes so that you never quite had a full group. I once spent 12hours grinding through BRD multiple times because people kept leaving and having to be replaced then we'd reset the instance for the new guy. And even after all that time I still never got to the last boss. After x-realm lfg I levelled a character through instances and he was able to just run BRD full clear without hassle or pleading with people to wait just a few minutes while the mage ports to IF and spams for a replacement.

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5.And many others reasons but most of them were only valid to WoW(i will describe them if you wish),still pros and cons are in favour against cross relam LFG tool in this game.
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The only good thing about this is faster group finding.Thats it. It's very shortsighted and stupid to only acknowledge that.
Well yes, the benefit of a system designed to foster faster group finding is faster group finding. Nobody has said that it needs to do anything else, and I don't see why it is a bad thing for something to do what it is designed to do.

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Touchbass
03.29.2012 , 08:11 PM | #477
Quote: Originally Posted by Snoodmaster View Post
I actually found ninjaing to be less of an issue after cross-realm LFG came into WoW because you could always just run the instance again in about 15 minutes, instead of basically being restricted to once a day at best. If some guy ninja'd you just ran it again and it wouldn't matter. before WoW's LFG came in, if some guy only wanted gear off the third boss and quit halfway through the instance, everyone else was boned. After LFG, you just queued up and got a replacement within seconds. Certainly I didn't experience any higher rates of ninja looting post LFG than pre LFG.



So you never got grouped with people on your same server? You never asked in trade if anyone was willing to start a premade to chain run some heroics? You never met anyone while farming mats or doing dailies?



Or you could add him as a friend and chat with him across servers. That would open up your group of friends even wider.



That's pure speculation. I could say that people became more mature AFTER cross realm lfg, and it would have just as much basis and reasoning as your statement. Certainly I found running low level dungeons to be less stressful when you didn't have to deal with impatient people leaving the group every 30 minutes so that you never quite had a full group. I once spent 12hours grinding through BRD multiple times because people kept leaving and having to be replaced then we'd reset the instance for the new guy. And even after all that time I still never got to the last boss. After x-realm lfg I levelled a character through instances and he was able to just run BRD full clear without hassle or pleading with people to wait just a few minutes while the mage ports to IF and spams for a replacement.





Well yes, the benefit of a system designed to foster faster group finding is faster group finding. Nobody has said that it needs to do anything else, and I don't see why it is a bad thing for something to do what it is designed to do.
Well said. Agree 100%
Our lack of a proper LFD tool will black out the sun!
Then we shall cancel our subs in the shade!

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Esproc
03.29.2012 , 09:04 PM | #478
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
So... I guess you didn't know that... at least you do now, so you understand why your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise.
You have no idea of a drawn out map, and I expected more from you ferroz, well, no I didn't.

You all claim "Speculation! Speculation! I can prove it does wonders!"

No proof, none cited that is not as refutable as an open opinion.

You say, I say, we are neither a majority nor a committee.

Just as 'The Communist Manifesto' may have looked 'good' to some when it was only on paper, there was much that was desired when they actually got it.

Why are you here? You could be playing that other game you are so fond of claiming is so great and have all of your Bells/Whistles/How to spec/How to Stack Stats/How to know when a Rage Timer pops (As if visuals and someone else pulling aggro wasn't enough of a clue, but really not so bad because when the tank pulls back the aggro he'll have more)/ and even a helping hand to tell you what rotation to use, what buttons to hit and when so as the automaton behind the screen you can follow the simplistic prompts/I Win Button Here.

You are here, so apparently you do not want what you had where you were, as you were disenfranchised with what it was offering. Clearly, as per your presence. So why do you then wish to make this what you already left? It is a different game and not what you claim was so great that it couldn't hold you there.

Go troll someone else ferroz, you work at it so well, and only saddens me that you have a such lack of growth.
In this Age of Information, Ignorance is a Choice!

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denpic
03.29.2012 , 09:10 PM | #479
Quote: Originally Posted by lukycharms View Post
Words cannot express my complete and utter lack of understanding for any single bit of evidence anyone has posted in support of NOT having cross server LFG tools. It also makes me question whether any of these people have ever played another mmo in their lives. This system has been implemented in a number of games with no change in community, game play, or any of the absurdly ridiculous factors you claim to be affected. It's literally frustrating listening to you people complain about things like this. And finally, Anaz, either look up the word "redundant" and understand what it really means and how to use it, or stop using it. you chose.
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ferroz
03.29.2012 , 10:17 PM | #480
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaedusz View Post
1.No ninjaing.
No, I saw more ninjaing before xserver lfg than I did post lfd, and I ran more than 1000 lfg pugs (as in, I queued solo)

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2.After the cross realm LFG tool,the only ''online friends'' i had were those i dueled with in front of Orgrimmar.
I had lots of online friends; this sounds like a personal problem.

The fact that you personally had friends who were only friends of convenience rather than real friends isn't actually an aspect of the community.

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3.You may meet a cool person in the group(some1 you enjoy playing with),but you are never gonna see him again.
This is just plainly a false statement.

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4.Somehow people were more mature before the cross realm lfg tool.
No, the maturity level was identical from immediately before the lfd to post lfd.

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5.And many others reasons but most of them were only valid to WoW(i will describe them if you wish),still pros and cons are in favour against cross relam LFG tool in this game.
So describe them.

You didn't actually list any features of the community that were destroyed, nor did you say how they were destroyed by xserver lfd.


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The only good thing about this is faster group finding.Thats it. It's very shortsighted and stupid to only acknowledge that.
And it totally revitalized the vanilla and outland dungeons.

And it got people used to running dungeons at a low level, which encouraged people to level with tank/healing specs instead of just dps specs.

And it allowed people to meet a larger variety of people and potentially make friends with people they would have never met otherwise; in fact, it even helped some people find new guilds, on other servers that they would have never found otherwise (posted by several people; especially rift where transfers are free).

And it allowed people to see the end game storyline who would have never otherwise due to being very casual (via lfr).

And it minimized the impact of people who have real life issues and need to leave an instance in the middle of it; something that could be an evening killer before was now just a quick afk break.

So no... faster grouping is just part of what it brought.
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