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No Cross Realm LFG tool please!


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DarthTHC
03.29.2012 , 01:59 PM | #461
Quote: Originally Posted by kidice View Post
LFG server tool YES !

LFG X server NO ( it ruined wow !)
LFG Server Tool YES!

X-LFG Tool YES! (it made WoW much more enjoyable!)

See what I did there?

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Kaedusz
03.29.2012 , 02:04 PM | #462
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post

Please describe 3 positive aspects of the community that existed before the implementation of the cross-server LFG tool and describe how the tool destroyed them.

1.No ninjaing.
2.After the cross realm LFG tool,the only ''online friends'' i had were those i dueled with in front of Orgrimmar.
3.You may meet a cool person in the group(some1 you enjoy playing with),but you are never gonna see him again.
4.Somehow people were more mature before the cross realm lfg tool.
5.And many others reasons but most of them were only valid to WoW(i will describe them if you wish),still pros and cons are in favour against cross relam LFG tool in this game.


The only good thing about this is faster group finding.Thats it. It's very shortsighted and stupid to only acknowledge that.

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DarthTHC
03.29.2012 , 02:09 PM | #463
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaedusz View Post
1.No ninjaing.
2.After the cross realm LFG tool,the only ''online friends'' i had were those i dueled with in front of Orgrimmar.
3.You may meet a cool person in the group,but you are never gonna see him again.
4.Somehow people were more mature before the cross realm lfg tool.
5.And many others reasons but most of them were only valid to WoW,still pros and cons are in favour against cross relam LFG tool in this game.


The only good thing about this is faster group finding.Thats it. It's very shortsighted and stupid to only acknowledge that.
1. Ninjaing happened long before the x-server LFD tool came into existence.

2. So you were absolutely unable to make friends, even when the tool dropped you into a group with people from your own server? Did the game disable all other forms of communication or did it render you socially inept?

3. On the contrary, you could actually add him to your friends list. If I recall correctly, there were also tools that let you chat cross-server with him. There may have even been tools to let you group with him again, even cross-server.

4. Will need examples and sample sizes on this, otherwise it's anecdotal opinion which is almost always influenced by our tendency to remember "bad" experiences more vividly than "good" experiences.

Yes, the only thing I want LFG for is faster group finding. Because the only thing that's good for is to be able to actually play the game rather than waiting around to play the game. Forgive me for wanting to play the game, but isn't that the reason the game exists? (Other than to make BioWare/EA profit, that is.)

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Kaedusz
03.29.2012 , 02:34 PM | #464
1.Ninjaing was never a major problem before the X realm LFg tool.In the Rare cases some1 ninjaed,that person was forced to reroll or something because everyone shuned him.Not to mention everyone acting like an ashole in the cross realm groups.Not every time,but often and with no consequences.

2.Me and everyone else i knew ,the problem wasn't that you were being unable to ''make friends''.The problem was that you almost never MET anyone,outside of pvp premades and dueling.Just go to the WoW forums,there are threads describing this all over the place.

3.This is all speculation.Nobody did this and the problem addressed in point 2 remains,otherwise this problem would not exist in WoW.Even if somebody did this,it is pointless,unless you knew the person in real life.

4.What nonsense are you talking about...
I clearly remember good experiences before the X realm LFG tool and bad ones after its implementation.There are no ''tendencies''
The only bad experiences i had before the X realm LFG, was finding a tank was hard,thats it.
There were,plenty more bad experiences after the X relam tool.
(1)

There is no or there should not be difference of opinion about what each case presents.The choice is simply between the cases.

The choice is between crappy group and going to instanses fast,or good group and going to instanses slow.
If you chose one of those,you are clearly going scrap the other one.

I prefer the second one.



(1)and many other problems,but as i said they are only valid for WoW ,like destroying world exploration,world pvp around the meeting stones and many others,staying in capital city in boredom waiting( i would gladly go willingly by myself to an instanse,but no1 else will) for a queue to pop up and others.

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evildestroyer
03.29.2012 , 02:46 PM | #465
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaedusz View Post
1.No ninjaing.
2.After the cross realm LFG tool,the only ''online friends'' i had were those i dueled with in front of Orgrimmar.
3.You may meet a cool person in the group(some1 you enjoy playing with),but you are never gonna see him again.
4.Somehow people were more mature before the cross realm lfg tool.
5.And many others reasons but most of them were only valid to WoW(i will describe them if you wish),still pros and cons are in favour against cross relam LFG tool in this game.


The only good thing about this is faster group finding.Thats it. It's very shortsighted and stupid to only acknowledge that.
1. All crap, you see ninjas on same server, most people even with x server dont ninja. If they do a simple vote kick will do the trick.

2. No one like you thats why.

3. I used X SERVER lfg in rift and was grouped with 4 people from the same guild, we worked so well together i xfered to their server and joined their guild.

4. I call BS

5. This is not wow, this is SWTOR a wow clone with the star was theme. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!!! When Rift added its xlfg tool it saved the game. It made it easier for people to find dungeons while leveling up or at lv 50. I would rather wait 3 minute in a queue than 20-40 minutes for a same server queue.

And i am sick of people saying it will ruin the community? What community? my server is dead as it is. X server will save this game. Its a fact. Deal with it.

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Kaedusz
03.29.2012 , 02:53 PM | #466
1.Rubbish,didn't work.
2.Nonsense and rubbish.
3.Nonsense and rubbish.
4.Rubbish.
5.Merge servers and add server transfer,don't add X realm LFG tool.

Read the post above.

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DarthKhaos
03.29.2012 , 03:03 PM | #467
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
That may be the case for pvp ques. I donot do PVP in WoW, but it is certainly not the case with PVE 5 mans or Looking for Raids. The average wait times for my dps in LFG runs is about 10 - 15 mins...maybe 5 - 10 mins longer for raids. If that much.
Erm... I was talking about PvE. They call the group of servers they pool from for cross server queues (both PvP & PvE) Battlegroups.
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Bakinpacman
03.29.2012 , 03:55 PM | #468
So since these guys seems to believe that the only thing that makes MMORPG's work these days is a x-server group finder i am recreating a new post about why we do not a x-server group finder at this current time and what actually should be done at this current time.

For all you people acting like the x-server group finder tool will fix all the finding of group problems you must also realize that because the group in SWTOR take 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 dps unlike the 3 dps it will take a hell of alot longer to find a group as a DPS in most likeliness.

I am going to post why we should not have the x-server finder at the "moment" and what needs to be incorporated into it before it is released.

Some examples would be allowing you to choose where you find people from locally or another server and forcing specific loot for what role you chose when you entered.

I will explain why we should use server merges at the moment (which can be hidden under the premise of them allowing oceanic transfers). and what should be done before they work on a x-server group finder.

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chaosdefined
03.29.2012 , 03:57 PM | #469
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaedusz View Post
1.Rubbish,didn't work.
2.Nonsense and rubbish.
3.Nonsense and rubbish.
4.Rubbish.
5.Merge servers and add server transfer,don't add X realm LFG tool.

Read the post above.
I was about to type up a bit counter point to your debate, but I can see you're not open to reason or even remotely paying attention to what others have to say before shooting them down with the "I'm right, you're wrong." mentality.

Here's my perspective. My server still had a great community two years after the Cross Server LFD came in. My guild were still very friendly and welcoming. There were still pugs being organised in Trade chat and people having conversations.

Like has been mentioned before, the LFD didn't kill any community. The playerbase increased at that point and when a load of new players join your server, your small community becomes diluted and so yes, eventually it will feel like it's gone. That's before there are more people there.

And dude there were tons of Ninja's before the cross server LFD. There's videos all over youtube of that! But then at the end of the day, if your priority is more about Loot than Enjoyment then you've got some issues.

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chaosdefined
03.29.2012 , 04:00 PM | #470
Quote: Originally Posted by Bakinpacman View Post
So since these guys seems to believe that the only thing that makes MMORPG's work these days is a x-server group finder i am recreating a new post about why we do not a x-server group finder at this current time and what actually should be done at this current time.

For all you people acting like the x-server group finder tool will fix all the finding of group problems you must also realize that because the group in SWTOR take 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 dps unlike the 3 dps it will take a hell of alot longer to find a group as a DPS in most likeliness.

I am going to post why we should not have the x-server finder at the "moment" and what needs to be incorporated into it before it is released.

Some examples would be allowing you to choose where you find people from locally or another server and forcing specific loot for what role you chose when you entered.

I will explain why we should use server merges at the moment (which can be hidden under the premise of them allowing oceanic transfers). and what should be done before they work on a x-server group finder.

Um...you're saying that finding less players for a group will take longer...have you thought this logic through?