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Snoodmaster
03.27.2012 , 03:06 PM | #221
Quote: Originally Posted by Varghjerta View Post
What cant you understand that every change every force have a counter to it and that will have holes into it and that people will find and use those holes?

Basicly in youre world why do Alpha or Beta testing even exist isnt just being enough?
Your grammar is slightly off, so it's hard to understand what you are trying to say, but from what I can puzzle out, you are saying that each change made to a complex program can introduce unexpected and intended results. Therefore, the bedrock of good security practices is to test and retest the program until the majority of these results are discovered. Am I correct in this understanding?

What the person you replied to is trying to say, I think, is that the original design of these programs does not require trial and error. Most computer science college courses teach theory of design and how to structure and organize your work. This process is not "trial and error." You don't try something you think might work, see what breaks, and then apply a random solution that you hope fixes it. You sit down, create a design document, then you try to build from that design document using best practices and checking for mistakes as you go.

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ferroz
03.27.2012 , 03:14 PM | #222
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What was that let me guess Hello world ? you must have been not having to be using the trial and errors of other people getting the coding right to show that?
No, and No, respectively... see features of Trial and Error; the programming I did today was not trial and error. Trial and error is a brute force methodology. If you think that most, even a large minority of programming is done via trial and error, then you don't actually understand what trial an error is.



I had more of a response but removed the rest of it because none of this is relevant to the topic; it's not even tangential.

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halueryphi
03.27.2012 , 03:22 PM | #223
We need Cross server LFG. Its exciting
I force choke because i find it funny.

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DarthKhaos
03.27.2012 , 03:35 PM | #224
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You're assuming the game engine can handle this. Essentially automated, real-time transfer of a character between servers.

They're coding their butts off to make it handle managed transfer of a character between servers, and that's still a ways away.

Don't get your opes up on automatic, real-time transfer anytime before your hair goes gray.
Wouldn't they need to do this to have cross server PvP? Characters from different servers transferred over (for the duration of the match) to another server.
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Varghjerta
03.27.2012 , 03:52 PM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
No, and No, respectively... see features of Trial and Error; the programming I did today was not trial and error. Trial and error is a brute force methodology.



I had more of a response but removed the rest of it because none of this is relevant to the topic; it's not even tangential.
So still you say that all programming is done from the start and there is no trial and error ?
I can say if 68 <goto 63> c64 but according to9 you nothing has changed ? c towards c++ towards java it havent done anything

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illgot
03.27.2012 , 03:55 PM | #226
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I've used the LFD in WoW hundreds of times, maybe even thousands of times actually, and I was never once kicked or removed from a group. I left a few groups, but not once was I ever kicked.

The situation you describe was talked about far more than it ever occurred in my opinion. I have about 30 other guildies over there who are just like me. They've used LFD many many times without being kicked. And when you read the posts on the forums there from the people who claim to have been kicked for this reason, if you read into their posts you usually find they are usually very unpleasant people that would cause me to drop group and requeue.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just don't think it's nearly as big of a problem as people make it out to be.
lies, we all know the LFD tool killed community and everyone get kicked out of 99% of the instances they join!

yeah when I played I leveled solely by instance runs on my goblin. I never got kicked either and the few people that did need for off specs, oh well, I queued up again and ran another one.

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ryathal
03.27.2012 , 03:58 PM | #227
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So still you say that all programming is done from the start and there is no trial and error ?
I can say if 68 <goto 63> c64 but according to9 you nothing has changed ? c towards c++ towards java it havent done anything
they didn't use trial and error.

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Snoodmaster
03.27.2012 , 03:58 PM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by Varghjerta View Post
So still you say that all programming is done from the start and there is no trial and error ?
I can say if 68 <goto 63> c64 but according to9 you nothing has changed ? c towards c++ towards java it havent done anything
No, it really hasn't. The theory of design does not change from language to language. Occasionally people come up with good ideas that get added to the theory, but "trial and error" has never been a 'good' method of designing code.

It's hard to explain until you've taken a few upper-level courses in algorithms and logic to really understand the basics of what programs are. But trust me on this one, good programs are designed, not just thrown together.

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Varghjerta
03.27.2012 , 04:04 PM | #229
Quote: Originally Posted by Snoodmaster View Post
No, it really hasn't. The theory of design does not change from language to language. Occasionally people come up with good ideas that get added to the theory, but "trial and error" has never been a 'good' method of designing code.

It's hard to explain until you've taken a few upper-level courses in algorithms and logic to really understand the basics of what programs are. But trust me on this one, good programs are designed, not just thrown together.
Nope but every code for the public have had a "trial and error"
Or what design are you talking about that havent had that?

I am more an ERP CRm marceting dude but that was just ridicilous what he stated

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ferroz
03.27.2012 , 04:45 PM | #230
Quote: Originally Posted by illgot View Post
lies, we all know the LFD tool killed community and everyone get kicked out of 99% of the instances they join!
Didn't the lfd tool also assassinate Archduke Ferdinand?

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yeah when I played I leveled solely by instance runs on my goblin. I never got kicked either and the few people that did need for off specs, oh well, I queued up again and ran another one.
the only people i remember getting kicked while leveling my goblin were folks that DC'd... and it's not like they suspiciously DC'd or anything.
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