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Ahsoka Tano's fate - Surviving Order 66?

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Ahsoka Tano's fate - Surviving Order 66?

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Macheath
09.17.2012 , 05:24 PM | #61
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Something's gonna happen to Ahsoka. I think that's fairly obvious.

I doubt she's going to be killed off. Surviving and staying with the Jedi Order, being knighted or reassigned to another Master is probably the most likely fate of hers that's been theorized. The current show IS aimed towards a younger audience, so killing her off is going to lead to a lot of crying, traumatized kids who are going to feel alienated towards the series. They also have to deal with the already-made RotS. It'd be illogical to have some sort of tragedy happen to her and have no one mention her during Episode III, especially Anakin who has such a hard time dealing with death.

And say she does survive, does that open the doors for a spin off show (or at the very least, mini-series) set between Episode III and IV about her and possibly other surviving Jedi to explain her/their ultimate fate?
That's the exact opposite attitude to have. We shouldn't underestimate the strength of children. They can handle the death of an important character in a cartoon show. In fact, many of them are looking for exactly that. I remember myself as a kid, always wondering why every single member of the team of heroes absolutely HAS to survive every situation they get into, no matter the odds stacked against them. It was so refreshing to see main characters die, in the few shows that featured such things.

Same goes for video games. The moments that stick with me are when characters sacrifice themselves for the good of the quest. And it's always disappointing when a show convinces you a character is going to sacrifice themselves, and then that character lives. Or when a character you thought was dead returns by way of a ridiculous plot device (Darth Maul with robotic spider legs? No thank you.)

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Aurbere
09.17.2012 , 06:08 PM | #62
She shouldn't even make it to Order 66. And let me tell you why. The story of Star Wars is the story of the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker. Everything in the prequels led up to that one moment in the Chancellors office, when Anakin fell to the Dark Side. Darth Sidious has been manipulating Anakin from the moment he arrived on Coruscant. Everything he told Anakin was meant to drive him further down that path. But it was more than just words. He also set certain tests for the Chosen One to complete. The final battle with Dooku is one of them. Now what could Sidious do to send Anakin further down that path. The death of a loved one? Yes. Shmi's death brought him farther down the path. The visions of Padme's death sent him hurtling down the path to the Dark Side.

Where was I? Oh right. The best was for Sidious to keep Anakin on that path is to remove Ahsoka, who is a positive influence on his life, from the dejarik board. In fact, Sidious knew the Coucil would send Obi-Wan to attack Grievous on Utapau, that effectively left Anakin alone to face the Dark Side temptations. Anakin is like a child, very impressionable. Sidious took advantage of that. He used the Jedi Council's suspicions of himself and Anakin to push Anakin down the path. But how can he remove Ahsoka? An easily answered question. There are two ways for Ahsoka to be removed. Both of them involve her death.

The first and most likely option is for Count Dooku to kill her. This will add to the tension between the two during their battle on the Invisible Hand, as well as push him down the path.

The second is for Ahsoka to die due to some event that Anakin wouldn't be able to stop. This will cause him to blame himself for her death, but also make him seek more power. This power would only be available from the Dark Side, or so Sidious would say. This would also make him more desperate for a means to save Padme from death. He would obviously seek more power to prevent her from sharing the same fate as Ahsoka and Shmi.

For the record, I do not hate Ahsoka. I do not like her either. I mearly tolerate her presence on the show, in hopes that someone will kill her to further the future Darth Vader's journey to the Dark Side.

PS: I also believe far too many Jedi have survived Order 66. It was a key component to Sidious' grand plan. Far too many Jedi have survived it for it to be effective.
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Macheath
09.17.2012 , 11:10 PM | #63
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PS: I also believe far too many Jedi have survived Order 66. It was a key component to Sidious' grand plan. Far too many Jedi have survived it for it to be effective.
Agreed, there. It's unrealistic to think that every single Jedi could be killed, all at once. Some must escape. But if there really were this many Jedi slipping through the cracks, Yoda and/or Obi-Wan would have surely contacted them. How can that many Jedi live, without even one of them helping the rebels before Luke?

The destruction of the Order was so complete, that in 18 short years people started believing that the Jedi were nothing but a myth. There can't be Jedi running around all over the place. And you know if Ahsoka lives through Order 66, someone will pick up the character and write a book with her doing all sorts of heroic things. She's such an important character, there's no way she just fades into nothing after surviving Order 66, like other Jedi might. No way her actions would go unnoticed by Yoda and Obi-Wan, who are basically just sitting around meditating all day.

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darksideisith
09.17.2012 , 11:56 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthKaratus View Post
Something's gonna happen to Ahsoka. I think that's fairly obvious.

I doubt she's going to be killed off. Surviving and staying with the Jedi Order, being knighted or reassigned to another Master is probably the most likely fate of hers that's been theorized. The current show IS aimed towards a younger audience, so killing her off is going to lead to a lot of crying, traumatized kids who are going to feel alienated towards the series. They also have to deal with the already-made RotS. It'd be illogical to have some sort of tragedy happen to her and have no one mention her during Episode III, especially Anakin who has such a hard time dealing with death.

And say she does survive, does that open the doors for a spin off show (or at the very least, mini-series) set between Episode III and IV about her and possibly other surviving Jedi to explain her/their ultimate fate?
What I never understood about The Clone Wars series and Ahsoka Tano is, how could Anakin have a Padawan, when he fell to the Dark Side before he could become a Jedi Master? Seems that part of the story goes against everything we know about the Jedi and the Star Wars Universe.
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09.18.2012 , 12:28 AM | #65
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What I never understood about The Clone Wars series and Ahsoka Tano is, how could Anakin have a Padawan, when he fell to the Dark Side before he could become a Jedi Master? Seems that part of the story goes against everything we know about the Jedi and the Star Wars Universe.
By that time Anakin is already knighted so he has the right to train a Padawan. IIRC, Qui-Gon Jinn was also only a Knight and he trained Obi-Wan.

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Aurbere
09.18.2012 , 06:34 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Macheath View Post
Agreed, there. It's unrealistic to think that every single Jedi could be killed, all at once. Some must escape. But if there really were this many Jedi slipping through the cracks, Yoda and/or Obi-Wan would have surely contacted them. How can that many Jedi live, without even one of them helping the rebels before Luke?

The destruction of the Order was so complete, that in 18 short years people started believing that the Jedi were nothing but a myth. There can't be Jedi running around all over the place. And you know if Ahsoka lives through Order 66, someone will pick up the character and write a book with her doing all sorts of heroic things. She's such an important character, there's no way she just fades into nothing after surviving Order 66, like other Jedi might. No way her actions would go unnoticed by Yoda and Obi-Wan, who are basically just sitting around meditating all day.

-Macheath.
Agreed. Order 66 did in a matter of days, what the Sith failed to do for millenia. But far too many Jedi are surviving the greatest moment in Sith history.
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JettrikRyflix
09.18.2012 , 11:00 PM | #67
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Agreed. Order 66 did in a matter of days, what the Sith failed to do for millenia. But far too many Jedi are surviving the greatest moment in Sith history.
I feel the opposite way - far too many Jedi were killed by mere clone troopers and a false distress signal. What are the chances that even 50% of the Jedi were accompanied by a full squad of clones when the order was given?
Would the Jedi not feel the deaths of their fellow Jedi piling up? For the Jedi accompanied by Clones, this would remove the element of surprise. The rest of the Jedi would know that the distress signal is a trap.

The two Jedi closest to the center of Order 66 (Yoda and Obi-Wan) both survived. Why not Jedi who had to face mere clones?

Sure Palpatine was clever, but he can only do so much.

So, I think it would be very plausible for Ahsoka to survive Order 66 - she would be very in-tune with Anakin, and would probably sense his turning. This would improve her chances, at least.

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AshlaBoga
09.18.2012 , 11:58 PM | #68
I don't think that Darth Vader kills her so that leaves us with several options:
A) She doesn't survive the Clones Wars. In this option Order 66 doesn't kill her because she's already dead.
B) She's killed by Order 66. Bork you Palpatine!
C) She survives Order 66 but is killed by a 3rd party.
D) She survives Order 66 but is killed by Palpatine/Vader.
E) She survives the Great Jedi Purge entirely. Which leaves the question of where she is during Luke's Jedi Order

My gut is telling me that it's "C," what do you all think?
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GeneralSteel
09.19.2012 , 01:30 AM | #69
I read somewhere that she gets killed, because of somehting Anakin does. This starts to tip him over the edge, and is why he start's getting obsessed with finding a way of stopping people dying.....

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Aurbere
09.19.2012 , 09:11 AM | #70
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I feel the opposite way - far too many Jedi were killed by mere clone troopers and a false distress signal. What are the chances that even 50% of the Jedi were accompanied by a full squad of clones when the order was given?
Would the Jedi not feel the deaths of their fellow Jedi piling up? For the Jedi accompanied by Clones, this would remove the element of surprise. The rest of the Jedi would know that the distress signal is a trap.

The two Jedi closest to the center of Order 66 (Yoda and Obi-Wan) both survived. Why not Jedi who had to face mere clones?

Sure Palpatine was clever, but he can only do so much.

So, I think it would be very plausible for Ahsoka to survive Order 66 - she would be very in-tune with Anakin, and would probably sense his turning. This would improve her chances, at least.
Pretty much every Jedi was in the midst of battle. They wouldn't have felt the deaths of their fellow Jedi because they were focused on the flow of the battle. Coupled with Darth Sidious pretty much blinding them in the Force left only one Jedi capable of feeling their deaths: Yoda.

Yoda could feel the deaths of his fellow Jedi because of his mastery in Force farsight and he survived Order 66 because of his mastery of battle precognition. Obi-Wan's varactyl mount took the brunt of the blast and allowed Obi-Wan to survive the attack.

Palpatine was more than clever. Waging a fake war. Turning the Jedi Order's trump card to the Dark Side and then using him to destroy the Jedi. Everything during the Prequels happened because of Palpatine and his plan.

Palpatine wouldn't let her survive the war. He knows about Force bonds and would most likely have her removed before Order 66, before ROTS even. I address the reason for this in one of my previous posts.
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